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SB and Refa, if you are still here(for SB), do you think if one of the 2 turns up scum, the other is very likely town?

Sorry, I meant to say I am pretty sure he is town, if he loses activity in the later phases, go after him, or he is good

@SB, I read through Proto's post. They sound like typical town Proto. He normally sticks to a few reads and concentrates on them and a lot of the stuff he said, I agree with. His thought progression is pretty natural and sounds from a town PoV. Only problem is, I can see him doing it as scum too, so, I would keep an eye out, but wouldn't be too worried about it. Actually, there is one other thing, but I feel like I should not mention that just yet. @Yoloswag, what is your reasoning for not wanting Spinal lynched at the same level as Proto? from what I can tell, both Proto and Spinal are tunneling Ryker and they both agreed to lynch someone else if needed, no? and you still haven't answered why you initially voted me Gonna read the 7 pages next (someone halp...)

Wrong, SB can be town for knowing what is going on and getting behind cases he agrees with and his points about Green Poet are quite good. Hober on the other hand, may have read the thread, but has provided no content (especially at the point, where you defended him), yet you claimed he was town. So far, every time, I have been asking you show me what content Hober provided, for you to be calling him a townie, where he not only was doing nothing to progress the game, he was also passively fence sitting, which is what you accused Spinal of doing and you not have only been avoiding the subject I don't have to mention in thread, "Oh look, X posted this must be town now!" That only helps scum, while not mentioning it gives me the advantage quite a few advantages (if you want to know, feel free to ask regarding the advantages, but that is game theory and completely unrelated to this game) My read on Ryker is that he stopped being the proactive self he used to be and that does not look good with me and I am pretty sure I saw a post of his saying he will be around early today you are taking things out of context, I did not say Hober is scum for not voting, I said Hober is scum for not providing Content, while acting like he has done so. Stop trying to put words in my mouth, Hober not voting was not the primary reason for me casing him and SB has nothing to do with how I see Hober, they aren't even closely related. SB has been pushing people, Hober has not. My case on you is that you claimed Hober provided content, which he did not. You also claimed Hober is being passive, which is the same as not helping progressing the game as far as I am concerned (prove me wrong). You have had Hober as a town read for a while now and you have yet to answer me why he is a townread, that you are so sold on. and regarding SB, if he is scum, we all know who he will Nightkill N1, lol I have decided, until you get in depth with your Hober read, I am done answering your questions about my reads to you, because you are clearly trying to move my attention elsewhere by avoiding the topic. Proto/Yolo/7 pages of stuff I haven't read yet, comes after this

no, English is not my native language, 1. Irony, probably town, while SB is more likely town (he is reading the game so, he gets that) 2. What of it? 3. I answered all of those and what of me not being as active as you? I have played games and caught all scum with less than 1 hour of game time every 2 days, so, don't give me that 4. I did read them, what is your point now? 5. Waiting on that, because I don't see it on the next post It is entirely your opinion that I am not looking for scum, but I believe I have found scum in you. The so called OMGUS happens to have a case before it and you are ignoring it. I don't care what you read me as anymore, since you are using double standards to weigh in on the players, unless you can prove me wrong, I will push for that lynch on you. You should know that SF mafia has been dead for quite a long time. Most of the guys from native sf who signed up hardly play nowadays. We want the game to be fun, not a chore (which is why we quit playing). Yet, your posts are accusing him of doing something he has not, so, I can see his PoV very easily. Now regarding him having a different state of mind, I actually do not see it. I think something can be gut bad, but null otherwise. I do not agree with your case on Refa and you need to get more input/show me better if you want me to follow it I want you to post what you found as content for Hober at that point Better sheeping than him bussing, lol (this is an inside joke, what I wanted to mention exists on top)

that you are trying to get out of RVS I responded to that and was responding to it a while back, but my point about you hard defending Hober when he didn't have content still stands. He did not have any content back then and yet, you decided to defend him. Why don't you link that content and tell me all about it and claim how that is not double standard, because to me, it clearly is.

@YOLOSWAG, Explain your reasoning for voting me without a case @Refa, I think Green Poet voting Spinal over Ryker makes no sense to me, because based on content, I cannot see how Ryker was the better of the two. I think I dropped the other point about her cause I cannot recollect it (and I don't feel like reading my own post) @Green Poet, for the first part, SB says it really well for me what do you think of the post by Proto? and for the second, did you read this post? I do not feel that way and I would like you to quote your post where you have done it and explain to me how you did it I think Kirsche is null with a town lean (the town lean comes from meta). He sounds like town, but he has fooled me countless times before, why I left him on null. yes you did and there was no reasoning behind it. I asked you why and you didn't respond yet you did not try to pick any sides anywhere on any font and tried to distance yourself from them irrelevent, since no content Basically, yet again, you provided little to no content and continue in doing so. The next 2 posts of yours talk about doing ISO, yet the post after that is I do not see any work on the ISOs you supposedly did talks about how Kirsche is a townread, but leaves it on surface level by saying his tone is town explaining why whatever you did before no longer has a point... asks a question that can go somewhere we have a follow up right after that I will try to do it less, lol (and I don't do it as bad as Eclipse/Balcerzak or Xinnidy, lol) Then what do you make of my push on Elemina? If Green Poet is an easy push, what do you think of the others calling her scummy? If you are an easy push, why don't you do something to change that? and also, this part of the case is a copy of Elemina's so, I must say those aren't even your own words... You said "Many of the questions he asked", yet you only provided one example, provide the rest also, you are wrong, I asked her on what she liked about the fight too, not just disliked, because from my PoV, I cannot see why she would agree to like Ryker over Spinal regarding your interactions bit yes, Yolo does that yes, but you are ignoring my case on you, where you are doing nothing but acting like you are yes, but that is because Green Poet has a very good sense of logic as town and is incredibly easy to follow, not so as scum agreed so, what are you concluding from this analysis and how did it help you to catch scum? @Yedi what do you think of everyone who doesn't like Green Poet? @Elemina, I have looked through your case on Refa, I can see Refa being lazy, but how is that worse than Hober Mallow, who was doing nothing? The points 7 and 8 are very accurate, IMO. Will Read Yolo (pg 17)and Proto once I get back from the field

sure, Hober Mallow didn't have a vote either. An RVS vote 24 hours into the phase when he supposedly has reads is as good as not voting, so my point stands. I am still waiting on the supposed content that Hober had posted my role claim once again, is not a joke, it is what it is. I cannot post the first 24 hours on even days and can post after that (as in, on D2, I cannot post the first 24 hours of it)

I have night talk, leave it to me, I will assign some plans that might be good to follow based on what happens with the lynch I think we should go for the lynch on Elemina, I don't think Hober is getting any better, but after thinking some time while driving, I think Elemina has been worse and deserves to be lynched, plus he has a lot of interaction As for Proto, until I saw your post, I was just putting reading Proto off, only skimming his posts, I will get back to you about it when I can

gonna have to reread all the stuff I skipped out yesterday, but don't expect me to post anytime soon since I am at work I think that was simply a joke. I do not joke role claim (not even to get reactions) and I was being very serious about my claim.

I am bored, so, I will go for some quick defense and attack and get some of my other to dos done Wrong, I threw the brakes on Proto because I have seen people vote for the inactive Proto, who we knew wasn't gonna be back for 24 hours and a lot of guys would get away with doing nothing for the first 24 hours, with just the excuse of "I was waiting on Proto", which Yolo did after all... 1. Wrong, but that is your opinion 2. I would like specific example as to where I was reacting, if you want to make a case on that on me, over generalizing the offense and do not act like you know what my life is like, when you are just some kid with too much free time on his hands. 3. see above and I want specific examples of where I am not trying to progress the game 4. you need to respect others, if you want to be respected and someone who isn't playing the game, does not have the right to be treated like he is playing the game.\ 5. and for this one, I am going to elaborate a little. Here, you are saying passive != scum, yet over here, we have (against "Mallow push is weak. I don't see how passive = scum, at all.") you claiming Spinal is scum because he was being passive (because that is another word to express someone who isn't helping progress the phase) and for this part of the conversation, "Nothing to catch scum is null, he's been providing content, just not to Spinal's liking. (Which he disagrees) I don't find anything suspicious from him, actually." Why don't you show me what content he has provided, because I don't see any. The only thing he actually did was, discredit what Spinal said, in regard to Ryker, BUT WAIT, WE HAVE THIS!! where you went on ahead and said the EXACT OPPOSITE THING FOR SPINAL It seems to me like you are being the hypocrite here, care to explain for having double standards for the 2 different player? You have made it to my scumlist above Green Poet and I am very willing to lynch you

I would say Hober Mallow, followed by Yoloswag, followed by Green Poet. I would lynch the first 2 as things are, while Green Poet, I need to reread her. I have yet to read everything after this page

[spoiler=addressing Elemina and Ryker] 1. Wrong, I only cared about people not sticking with Proto and no one else and you weren't doing that 2. I don't out reads unless I want to and normally, I want to go for outing them AFTER, they are more than just a lean. When I will have a case, you will see it, until then, I will only out stuff when asked. nah, I thought you were pulling a joke at first until you said every post was serious, why I bothered asking, Proto's read was too common to ask for This does not get you off the hook, I am still waiting for your answers. Also, Ryker, you do not deserve to be lynched, you deserve to be mod subbed out if you keep this up Anyways, real talk First of all, votes on me, IMO, every one of them is bad, #1 but from what I can tell, Ryker is being a troll and he may or may not have a reason to vote for me, regardless, nothing indicative of alignment and in his defense, he claims to have a reason #2 I do not agree with Elemina's reasoning for thinking I am scum, but at least he has something #3 This guy on the other hand is full of fluff The only post that addresses me is and not only does it not mention why I am scummy, it doesn't even promise a reason for it. Seems to me like some guy trying to look through the voting list to see who is getting votes on him and claim him as scum to avoid responsibilities (the exact same thing I said about me can be said about Green Poet from his post). I would say this guy is scum. @Yoloswag, I want real reasoning for your read, not one liners like you have been posting I would vote for him too, if it wasn't for this guy His first post is RVS His second post calls most posters who posted cool other than me and Green Poet, but provides no reason for it. Seems to me like another Yoloswag, but this guy is worse, because unlike Yoloswag, this guy decides to sit on the fence and leave his vote on RVS. To top it off, in the same post, he tells Irony that Irony can place his vote and move it around later on, but leaves his vote on Yoloswag, which was in RVS, hypocrisy much? His third post and Fouth post talks about how Spinal is not looking into motive and dismisses Spinal's case on Ryker His fifth post talks about how we should look at Refa and Green Poet. My problem with all of these posts is that he is taking a very passive approach to the game, has done nothing to contribute to catching scum, while making criticizing people who he didn't agree with and making it sound like he is posting content, while not doing so Why is it that you aren't trying to find scum yourself, Hober Mallow? ##Unvote ##Vote Hober Mallow

yo Elemina! I wake up really late in the mourning and I find a whole lot of pages.... anyways, @GP, your Irony townread just seemed like it was something that wasn't fitting in that post, it is kinda hard to explain, but, it is like it is sandwiched in the middle of two scumreads and doesn't feel like normal thought progression to have that in the middle... What do you like and dislike about the argument between Ryker and Spinal I am sure I asked you this and I didn't see an answer to this, what do you want to talk about on D1, if it is not the lynch? we either lynch mafia D1 or we make up for it by lynching the doctor, we would rather have you pushing a case, that sitting on the fence, even on D1 what Spinal has been doing is talking about Playstyles, other than talking about Ryker and defending himself. Do you think Spinal would choose not to defend himself as scum? my role could be equally uselessful for town as it is for mafia and should say nothing about my alignment Not voting unless he wants to lynch might be how Spinel plays mafia as any alignment, no? why do you want to claim so early? FIRST OF ALL @RYKER, EVERYONE IN THE WORLD DOES NOT THINK ALIKE AND WHAT MAY SEEM OBVIOUS TO YOU, MAY NOT EVEN BE SEEN BY OTHERS, SO, I HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU BACK OFF TRYING TO ACT COCKY AND TRYING TO TROLL OTHERS IN THE PROCESS, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING because that is how Proto is? how is GP staying continuing to stay in RVS? Call me dumb if you want to, but I want a reason, not a quote, behind that vote Why do you want Elemina to tunnel someone he doesn't find scummy anymore? Explain and continue explaining. It is funny that your vote on me is as good as an RVS vote, when you posted trying to continue RVS later on in the phase is scummy. Scum claiming much? agreed This makes no sense and Ryker, you need to address the questions thrown at you, or give a reason for avoiding them that is acceptable When did you even mention Yolo in a post? pretty sure all you generated was snort and not content at that point, null leaning scum. Refa's case on her makes sense. Would like her to respond to Ryker vs Spinal first Explain OH COOL, A CASE ON ME, NOW WE ARE TALKING, is what I would like to say, but unfortunately, I can't... 1. you clearly weren't the first person saying what Proto did was scummy and I assumed your reasoning was similar to the others 2. explain why I am not voting Irony then 3. I have a terrible phone and I have more chores than I want to deal with Explain why you like Ryker's vote More to say in the next post, stay tuned! (note, I didn't address my main scumreads atm)

why do you have a special read for Irony?

I know this is not aimed at me, but I feel like answering this instead of the other question, hopefully I will have covered the answer in this, Agreed this is exactly what I think Irony is doing, so, I am leaning scun on her/him

Sorry, phone posting, I meant to say so, not sorry and the quote was meant to be where you quoted the 3 people you named scum.

For the time being, nothing, but at least he is not fixated on Proto alone Sorry, you think Spinal is scum for overreacting and Green Poet on association?

And what do you think we should talk about today, if we are not talking about the lynch?

@Ryder, @Yolo I am pretty sure that is just Proto pulling a joke vote for RVS with the reasoNing being the joke and because he knows people will take it seriously, he mentions that it is a joke and knowing how he gets lynched for stuff like that, it is totally called for, for him to say it. It isn't very alignment indicative, but if anything at all, I would say more likely to lean town, because he would less likely post that joke as scum

And what do you plan to do to Lynch someone? In other news, my role is a odd night insomniac, however, my character has to make up for the sleep of staying awake and therefore, I cannot post the first 24 hours of even days (what the point of this role is, I have no idea). I expect everyone to not go for early hammers before I get to make a post, thanks in advance. And that is all for now, ##Vote: Proto

That sounds like me...

it is such a pain to confirm...

^ (yeah, me too /in)

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