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1 hour ago, thecrimsonflash said:
not really, Shadows of Valentia portrayed religion in a much more nuanced light, giving us both mila and duma, each portraying an extreme, with mila being benevolent but destructive, showering her people with blessings in excess leading them to fall into depravity and gluttony, and duma being harsh but well meaning, deciding that his people need to learn to live on their own so that they can learn how to become strong enough to survive, this lead to a people who were cold and somewhat barbaric at times.
Radiant Dawn also looked at things in a more interesting way, in how followers of a religion may lose track of what is true about the religion, or even twist it to justify their actions, the begnion senators (who are said to be appointed by the goddess) using the goddess to act like they are higher than others, even though they are the biggest sinners, participating in things like purchasing laguz slaves, this would be the main reason for how most of the events of radiant dawn occur, ultimately culminating in an enraged goddess threatening to destroy the world because of an ancient pack that only a handful of people were even aware of, and then during the time of judgement the goddess appointed these senators to be the generals of her army and this was only because they were so lost to their own egos to see that they were being used and would end up dead as their reward for their arrogance.
huh, now that I think about it, the possibility of this being a tellius follow up isn't completely outlandish if you look at these things, I mean all the theories could work, the dragon tribe was the most loyal to the goddess, only two didn't join her, that would explain their placement on the mural, the map could be reasoned as a tellius after the water began receding causing land to collapse and new islands to form, eh, it's a thought. I guess it doesn't really matter, it would be like being overly excited for awakening being an arkenea follow up, it really doesn't matter because there isn't much left of the original anyways, unless you just have to have a twisted version of the falchion lying around.
You're right, I forgot about Gaiden (I've yet to play the remake, though). As for PoR and RD, those are coincidentially the only games of the series I never played because I didn't own a Wii
but from what you are saying, then FE did have the trope of "organised religion = evil", since you say the begnion seniors were the biggest sinners and etc. It sounds very interesting and dark (which is something I really like), but as I said before I'm hoping for an imperfect religion with maybe both sides having a grey moral both in actions and reasons.
1 hour ago, Ryo said:Whoever the evil party is, I hope the story won't devolve into a final battle against a dragon... again.
Now this is something I don't think will ever change... but it would be great. I mean, not even Link fights ganon in aaall the zelda games. But who knows!
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57 minutes ago, Shinwoo said:One of my first thoughts when I saw the trailer was hoping IS would finally subvert their trope of the sacrificial, motherly-type character being pure good and the ruthless, conqueror character being pure evil (with the exception of Rudolph). At this point the trope is pretty stale, so I seriously hope they end up doing this game differently.
I agree! I don't know if IntSys is ready to finally change that up, since for example every Fire Emblem game so far has basically the same plot (fighting a war between nations then have the true boss revealed to be an evil dragon god), and I mean, that's 12 games not counting remakes. I don't think that'll change, but I have hopes they at least change that Mikoto and Garon trope, with this trailer.
33 minutes ago, thecrimsonflash said:I certainly do hope this doesn't devolve into the typical jrpg trope of organised religion = evil, fire emblem has handled religion way better in the past and it would be a shame for it to just be what every jrpg in the early 2000s did. It may not be like this, but it seems possible.
Well, actually, Fire Emblem has always painted religion and their people as incredibly benevolent and perfect, which is not realistic to me. This would be a change for them, and it wouldn't be as black and white as the grimleal who were a cult so obviously siding with evil (Grima). What I'm hoping for is an imperfect religion in this game, with the evil people being in the church but not being the church itself or the goddess herself.
31 minutes ago, Hekselka said:Really hoping you're right. After Emmeryn and Mikoto we need something more surprising.
I agreeeeee!
11 minutes ago, Ae†her said:Maybe they should've made more than Three Houses, and maybe there are, but the most powerful three are the most important in the realm. Which is a bit disappointing because it seems like the world design is very simplistic with just three houses or factions. I think as the MU, you decide which house or lord to work with, and that essentially takes the rest of the plot on it's own course, but regardless of which house you choose you end up dealing with some mystical force related to that goddess lady. People are saying it's about fighting against organized religion that seems like something IS would do, yep.
My hope is that character designs will at least make up for a cliche plot. Like maybe we don't have to have a completely ruthless conqueror type character that is just pure evil for the sake of being evil, or possessed by some dark god. Maybe each character has their good attributes and actions, but also their bad, and we don't get perfect lords who can only understand good deeds.
Luckily, it's just the first trailer and it showed very little. I think many of the past games have done a good job of involving many houses and important people into the war, and we have yet to see many more characters than the 4 units we saw. I get what you mean, though, the most important aspect for me in FE is the political tension between nations and their involvement, and I did have a hard time feeling that in the trailer.
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2 hours ago, Darthkeeper said:I also had a feeling the woman was "evil" in some way. Hopefully they go for a morally gray story (which contemporary culture favors more than classic "good" vs "bad" ones). If this is true, I love the fact her design is very "good guy", but actually isn't necessarily.
This theory also helps clear up why the teacher character is named Byleth. Upon reading it's based on a king of hell, I reserved opinions of him being the bad guy similar to Robin/Grima, as many people have been led to believe. Another reason is I don't think IS would make such a theoretical plot twist so obvious from the first trailer.
Nice write up!Thank you!! C:
Well, the trailer definitely shows all the characters at some point, including Blythe, fighting against kingdom soldiers, so you can rest assured they won't pull off Robin/Grima card! Haha, I was scared of that myself. I'm hoping it's the queen the one who turns out evil, but I wonder if IntSys is ready to do that, since they're always so obvious with the characters designs, that's why I think maybe they'll say she's not bad but has her reasons...
2 hours ago, Book Bro said:Good analysis. I agree that the queenly woman is probably an enemy. It's interesting that the lords and avatar don't really look like the typical honourable/naive protagonists we get. Hopefully this is a more serious and morally grey story.
I really, really hope so!! Or that, if we're going to go for the path of evil, we really go full evil, in a sort of Shin Megami Tensei way, like I thought Conquest was going to be before its release. That would be very cool, to me.
1 hour ago, Ryo said:Haha, I did think the same! Maybe it's just the characters' design, but it's also strange how she's hugging that weapon and smiling, why would she even do that? And it was the same weapon used by the old man fighting in the war, according to the analysis made here by VincentASM, which makes it more confusing.
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This is just my take on it from what I gathered with the trailer!
The description says this is a country ruled by the church of Seiros, who was the woman who received a gift by the goddess, meaning the kingdom is a theocracy.
First, it seems a lot of people think the lady at the beginning with the dragon crown is the goddess herself, but if you take a look at her clothes, you'll notice they're identical to the ones Seiros is wearing on the painting:
Meaning the lady is actually the descendant of Seiros or Seiros herself, and that along with the crown means she's the queen ruling over this kingdom, since, as the description says, the kingdom is ruled by the church of Seiros.
Now this queen is clearly at war with some other people with some barbaric designs; one of them even tried to attack her and a soldier stopped him. It can be assumed some are not happy with the church ruling over them, which is of course to be expected. But what I noticed through the trailer is that our three key characters (Edelgarde, Claude and Dimitri) are also shown fighting against the kingdom. Dimitri and Claude are shown fighting against an unit called "Kingdom soldier", whose design correspond with the same one who was defending the queen. Edelgarde, on the other hand, is seen fighting against Mercedes, whose clothes look to me kind of like that of a nun, and her overall design fits better that of the church than that of the enemies with their barbaric designs:
Then we have Edelgarde talking about what a horrible world it was, and she says: "some believe the crests, tokens of the goddess' power, are necessary to maintain order. But they're wrong. The crests are to blame." Meaning she doesn't agree with the church at least partially. She would later warn her teacher that if they're to follow "this path", one misstep would take them to ruin.
And speaking about the teacher. His name is Byleth, which is another name for Beleth, the king of Hell, who had a vast knowledge and the ability to command legions, which agrees with him both being a teacher and a tactician, so it's not a coincidence. But the fact it comes from a demon lord makes it ideal for him to be the one going against the church and the goddess it serves.
Byleth can be seen fighting against a kingdom soldier too, with a design also seen before:
So what I want to make clear is that, maybe not at the beginning, but at some point, our three key characters will be on the same side, fighting the church, so it's not like Fates in which you choose sides, and it will not be a war against the houses, but against the church. Also, since Edelgard represents Spring (according to the japanese title, which is Four Seasons), it will probably start with her, then we'll get Claude (Autumn) at our side and lastly, Dimitri (Winter).
As for the queen, I don't mean to say she's evil. Maybe she's wrong, or waiting for something, it's happened in past games. But it did striked me as weird that she, who looks so benevolent, like Elice or Emmeryn or something, shows no sign of sadness or pain while watching the massacre unfolding around her, her face doesn't even show seriousness or severity, nothing. It doesn't mean much now, just that it's weird.
SpoilerSorry for the links instead of the images, and for any grammatical errors, since English is not my first language.
And well... that's my take. If all of this was already discussed somewhere, I'm sorry, I get lost easily! If not, I would love to talk about it, your own thoughts and theories, I just want to talk about this game so bad haha. Thank you for reading!
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Thank you so much for answering!! I really appreciate it!
I thought the trailer was awesome but kind of short! I wish they'd show us some of the gameplay at the Treehouse live or something, I can already tell the wait will kill me (I already suffered so much waiting for Fates since the teaser...). Meanwhile, I've already watched the Three Houses trailer so many times I've been able to detail some stuff and now have some theories. I've been wanting to share it in the respective topic to see if someone agrees!
What did you two think about the trailer? Did you like it? Or was it different from what you wanted?
Thank you again
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This teacher was the one to decide if Edelgard should practice her axe or sword skills, by way of the player choosing either option, so yes, he is definitely the avatar ^^ .
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I've actually been here since 2016, reading news and general info about basically every FE game there is, but I'm not that good at integrating myself, I've never participated in a gaming community as large as this before. Now that the Three Houses trailer is out and I'm really hyped, I wanted to change that :3
I've played every FE game except for PoR and RD because I never owned a Wii (not because I didn't want to...) I've also yet to play Echoes, which I will as soon as I can, but I played Gaiden so I guess I have the basics of it.
Anyways, I really really like this site, I really want to meet you all and talk about FE all day everyday with everyone! Have a great day/week C:
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29 minutes ago, SageOfAnys said:
Ha, I feel like I'm the only one whose totally indifferent to the idea of Treehouse being the localizer! Sure, it wasn't the best, but I still think that the entire localization fiasco regarding Fates was completely overblown and the only really egregious thing was the deletion of the Saizo x Beruka C-rank, but hey that's just me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Even then, I highly doubt NoA and Treehouse are stupid and deaf to the community as a whole. They're probably aware of the Western fanbase's response to Fates's controversial localization so the possibility of receiving another localization on par with Fates is unlikely, especially if IS isn't stupid and handles Three Houses with more tact.
Also, there's always the possibility that Treehouse isn't even localizing FETH, but another studio entirely. Until any confirmation is put out there, everything is just speculation.
They are aware. Monster Hunter's localization team even mocked them for it in a magazine, meaning, publicly. I also think the issue with treehouse was blown out of proportion, except for Saizo x Beruka C support, and Keaton x Velouria (recluitment dialogue, I think it was...), which got me very mad. But some characters were given a better personality, like Forrest.
In any case, they definitely know to be careful now, in case they truly are localizing Three Houses.
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I really like it c: the trailer was too short, though. I didn't grasp that same political tension I've felt with some of the older games yet, which is what matters to me.
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I... believe in the Nintendo Switch and its capabilities. And that IntSys can't do that without expecting any serious consequences.
but from what you are saying, then FE did have the trope of "organised religion = evil", since you say the begnion seniors were the biggest sinners and etc. It sounds very interesting and dark (which is something I really like), but as I said before I'm hoping for an imperfect religion with maybe both sides having a grey moral both in actions and reasons.
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-I understand what you mean, I did think the aesthetic, while really good, was much less warm in color and overall unremarkable. I liked it, but not loved it
-I know the Formation system was something they've been wanting to implement since the making of Genealogy of the Holy War, taking inspiration from Advance Wars. But in every scene in the trailer, the troops just stand there or run a little, I never see them fighting or attacking except for the archers (some mages attacked but at the ground, they didn't hit anyone). So I'm worried about it... I hope it's not just choosing a formation without the actual soldiers doing much more than bumping into each other.
-I loved that!! It got me really hyped! I like MyCastle a lot and this looks soo much better!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me, I know we've yet to see something more concrete but I can't help myself, haha, I love this series ❤