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Reads part ⅓. Expect aq lynch at the end of post 3. First group are Makaze, Fable, Evan, as I feel these three are so closely intertwined at this point that I’m surprised nobody has mentioned their scumread circle-jerk. Makaze starts the day (1) with an early scumread on Fable that sticks around up to this current point. He also brings one up on Evan in the same post and keeps this scumread throughout the game until now, too (voted Fable initially D1 and has changed to vote Evan D2 as of the time I am writing this). Fable OMGUSes Makaze early on and by the time D1 ends, both Fable and Evan have each other lynched. They also both start off D2 this way and continually scumread each other (without much real logic (mostly from Evan)). ____________________________________________________________________________ Individual reads: Makaze- Starts off D1 focusing solely on Fable to the point where all of his reads are NAI and basically useless to me (pointed out in my first post where I said he was trying to look active while doing fuck all). Over the course of late D1 (mostly where he posts his reads list, I get a much clearer picture of him and see that he is focusing on more than just his two gut reads, although still prioritizing them. His interactions with Athena D2 and his willingness to change his mind when faced with new opinions as well as shifting plur and applying pressure to me and Evan reads very townie, as I honestly expected him to remain stubborn in his reads and assume he was right. Town Read. Fable- Honestly, between the promises of better content and activity towards the end of D1, I was disappointed that he never really offered solid reasonings on his reads. His refusal to ask questions (referring to me, as he claims he has had some but has yet to make a post and tag me in it) while also saying he needs to interact with people to get reads makes me think he is sliding by too easily without very much pressure. He can afford to keep making weak reads/pushes as the only people threatening him so far are the two he’s threatened back. He chocks all of this up to “meta” and I’ve seen a lot of other talk about player’s meta in this thread since most of you have played with each other before. As someone who has not played with you all before, would you read me the same way as Fable or let me slide if I made the same kinds of moves as him? (I am currently being pressured by 2-3 people based on my posts thus far). Leaning Scum Read. Evan- An early intro post that I can only assume was meant to be a joke made me initially scumread him and his random reappearance to townread only Athena before vanishing again without posting reasonings (while Athena was in the middle of the Xand/Bartozio interactions) felt even further off. His late phase posting on D1 (described as potshots) seemed very ill-informed and he spent most of the time reacting to new posts in the last few hours without catching up on previous pages (he claimed being on page 5 while actively replying to Fable and others on the current pages) leaving me to believe a lot of his late phase reads hold little to no merit and were likely not well thought out. His continuation of these lackluster reads (current posts, including the sentiment that he can’t get a proper read on the game because of my/xand’s lack of posts) does not help his case for me, as he should be able to make a reads post of the players who are active. He also made this post: “I'm completely aware that I'm not doing a very good job. And I know that at this rate, I'm going to be the mislynch in LyLo” which leaves a very bad taste in my mouth as he is assuming he will make it to lylo for some reason? I view this as an attempt at wifom (he uses this early sentiment to keep lynches away from himself in lylo) or as an excuse for later lackluster logic in a *ylo setting. It’s not something I would view a town player as saying, at the very least. Scum Read. ____________________________________________________________________________ There are 3 mafia members left. Of this pool of three (maka, fable, evan), I view it as almost impossible that all three are scum based on their history of interactions. There’s bussing, and then there’s this. At the very least, I view two of them as being town (with the possibility of 1 scum in this pool) with Evan being the most likely scum and Maka being most likely town. Fable is leaning scumread. Before *ylo, I would like to see Evan lynched (and first out of these three). If Evan flips town, I would read Fable as likely scum. If Evan flips mafia, then I would see Fable and Makaze as town. If Fable were to be lynched before Evan and he flips town, my scumread on Evan remains. If Fable is lynched first and flips mafia, my scumread on Evan remains (though, weakened) and the possibility of Makaze being third scum comes into play (primarily if Evan is then lynched to flip second scum). In no scenario do I wish Makaze to be lynched as of this moment based on my reads of him. ____________________________________________________________________________ I am aware of the post you made, Athena, while I was writing this post here and will be sure to express my thoughts at EoD 1 and their evolution in a follow up post for each player, these three included.

I’m mildly annoyed that I went to the trouble to read everything and post my thoughts just to be ignored. Ask away. And, reiterating a point I (and Maka) has made. This isn’t a real-time game, I do read over posts, especially ones I am pinged in. If you leave me questions I’ll answer when I’m not in class or at work.

Page 12 (after my initial post): *Xand drops Mack down to null read. Does this mean you had him at a town lean before my post? What faulty reasoning are you talking about? You didn't expand enough on this for me to properly reply and justify my past stance. "4 is death. Which is a number associated to those who bring death. Namely, scums who kill people each Night Phase. Sounds familiar? Yeah, calling it: Athena, Makaze and Bartozio as a scum family (look how Athena tried to set up Bartozio as opposite to his alignment and thus disassociate from him!)" Page 13: *I assume this is a joke, in hindsight, but this was a post that I felt was unnecessary to include right after saying you’re lynching for “faulty reasoning.” I'm officially dropping my suspicion until further notice. *First, do these two example posts not contradict each other? First Mack says Bartozio feels off, then he changes to seeing him as town vs town against Xand. Can you provide more reasoning behind your change or was it only because of the no new lynch adds? Makaze, why do you drop your suspicion here? For his change of reads? Xand, assuming you really did become more suspicious of Mack after my post, why so? For both Makaze and Xand, why do you both draw different conclusions from what was pulled from my posts about Mack?

Welcome to Zeo’s wall-post cause part 4 I’m a busy fuck who only just had the time to finish this so now here’s my thoughts on everything from page 11 to page 12 (stops at my very first post). Page 11: *Xand calling Maka out!? Get rekt, Maka! What reads are you re-evaluating? As of which post did start you have reads/what set you on your path? What felt tonally off about Bart to you? How does it fit in with this town vs town narrative? *Going back to the post above this one, I feel this is the first time Makaze is actually attempting to ask questions about others players, and some good ones, at that. This is the first time I am able to get a read on him as he questions Mack. ((This quote will also come into play with a later post he makes about Mack on page 13)). Page 12: *For all his pushing and only having interactions with Xand (replies) and Athena, Bartozio now moves off Xand lynch and onto Fable. Why is it that after everything you have provided against Xand, do you feel it’s a better move to switch to Fable (Xand has 2 votes with you, your switch gives Fable 2 votes). It feels like you have a much weaker case on Fable and dedicate only a sentence to explaining your switch. *Makaze establishes Mack as a scumlean.

Like who? And why?

Can you provide some examples of questions you have asked where they have gone ignored? Specifically ones NOT directed at Makaze. I've failed to see anything of note from you from pages 1-10.

Welcome to Zeo’s wall-post cause part 3 I’m a busy fuck who only just had the time to finish this so now here’s my thoughts on everything page 10. Page 10: *Fable starts off with this, accusing Makaze of not explaining things, and it’s fair, his posts until this point have been very useless (I have him as null read as there is no content to push him to either side) however, you are doing the same thing and are just as null but with less interactions and reads. Also, Evan has been non-existent since his first string of posts, but you have been here. Your attempt at reads is posted, but again, no explanation. I’d like you to try harder to have meaningful content, too. *Why do you not reach out to others? See a comment in a wall-post you find odd? Ask about it. Ask anything. Why do we have to come to you to try and get reads, why can you not come to the rest of the game? Do you really have nothing of value to say unless you are being interviewed? *Makaze asking for the same interviews as Fable. I'm mindmelding with Junk regarding the thought process here (indicated in my thoughts on page 7) and so a lesser extent his earlier read on Athena which came around the time mine did, so I have Junk as a townlean. *Agreeing with Fenrir here, as it did seem Junk was setting up a possible lynch on Xand early with his “info lynch” plan. It also seemed like a backtrack when he mentioned that it would only be as a last resort. This is also around the time when Xand started to get lynched (iirc Bart and Athena lynch on him sometime after Junk’s initial “info lynch” post). Leaving Xand as a possible easy lynch option N1? Possibility that 1 of these three (Junk, Bart, Athena) could be scum?

The replies you were making ((responding to Fable's "that's retarded")) are on this page, making me think you had skipped over a lot and was just planning to respond to what is posted in the last hour.

Evan, if you haven't already, please read my thoughts about you on page 12's wallpost and reply. I see you are quoting later stuff, but I would like to see some answers to my talk about you.

More incoming, just breaking it up to allow people to respond before DL and give me more to work with once I get into the later pages. In particular, 12-13, which I have a lot to talk about.

Welcome to Zeo’s wall-post cause part 2 I’m a busy fuck who only just had the time to finish this so now here’s my thoughts on everything from page 8 to page 9. Page 8: *Satsuma brought up Xand as a back-up for an info lynch if nothing else came up. Now that you are being heavily lynched (page 12-14), do you have anything better and why? I explained one. for two: reacting seriously to jokes like this is a pretty good way to stop them from continuing. A rvs wagon on me isn't going to start when you already explained why all of his reasons are reaching. If you actually didn't get he was joking, you didn't break of the interaction, sure. Page 9: *Bartozio keeping on Xand for what I feel was initially a very weird reason ((I couldn’t follow the logic of your initial post where you lynched him, even after a few read throughs)). On this here, though, my question is, why is Xand stopping jokes from occurring a bad thing? Is that not a good place for Athena to stop with the jokes and have a serious discussion about gamestate (although still very early in RVS phase) rather than continuing something that doesn’t help? *I assume this is a reads list with most town up top and most scum at the bottom. I find it interesting you and Makaze find Evan as the second biggest scumread (aside from each other) and that I am in the same cat as Fenrir and Satsuna. Idk if you mean this to be neutral (in which case I fit but Fenrir and Satsuna at least have more content that others have pointed out is either scummier or townier while I have nothing). If you mean this to be scum sided, I feel I should be lower, as my content is non-existent at this point. Idk if you explain it in a later page, but what is with this categorization? I need an explanation to understand what you are trying to say.

Going to respond to this right away before the rest of my posts because it’s an easy one while at work. Even if it can be played as a real time game when you’re both online, we still have big deadlines and so had you mentioned Evan earlier, too, it could have been pressure he’d have to respond to. Reasoning accepted for now. What are are your thoughts on Evan and Mack atm?

8-current incoming. Any replies to my own coming in a third post after I finish everything I feel is important. Also everything is bold cause copying over from google docs is ass.

Welcome to Zeo’s wall-post cause I’m a busy fuck who only just had the time to finish this so now here’s my thoughts on everything from page 1 to Page 7. Page 1: Nice shitposts Lenlette. Also Alette is a nub and she can’t talk back to refute! >:3 Page 2: Evan makes his first appearance in the thread about not having reads when he should. I feel this was supposed to be a joke, but I mildly scumread it. Just a feeling thing, though. Makaze immediately lynches Fable as a scumread and also reads Evan, I assume for the same reasons as me. I see no real reason why Maka made a scumread on Fable as he had no game-talk at all, just the RVS shitpostery. My vote on Maka was to see if Evan/Fable/Maka would respond, since I didn’t apply pressure (I’m a lazy fuck) it was basically useless. Page 3: *Athena votes Mack for this. I’m interested why you didn’t vote for Evan but felt the need to for Mack, even if it was early, Evan still fit your reasoning first. *Mack says this but doesn’t mention me for doing essentially the same thing ((even if I did it second, I feel you and Athena should have mentioned all cases when making your lynches)). Page 4: *Bartozio calls Mack’s incomplete read on Junk “pretty towny” but has no real read on him. *Rapier lynches Athena for “setting people up for faulty reasoning” then provides faulty reasoning about him in the same post. *Makaze sticks to a “soul read” on two people without doing much pushing or any real attempt to get extra lynches on his targets. “Sheep me” is not adequate and nobody has followed you in the 6 pages that follow this one. Page 5: *Evan makes a townread on only Athena without any reasoning. Why is Athena your only townread? Is he still? Does that mean you have scumreads? It should be late enough in the day that you can make reads, now. Following up on this, Makaze’s second scumread is here providing the bare minimum and he’s keeping pressure on Fable (to no avail) and failing to call this out. I know you’ve got an ego Maka (same tbh) but even you should see that your soul reads have no clout here and that you need to start pushing. Page 6: *Makaze asks Mack this when Mack asked in a clear enough manner on page 5 “Why is Athena your only town read? Also is there a reason you post multiple single sentence posts in a row instead of putting it all in one post?” Are you even reading his posts/going back to check what he says before throwing out a scumread, or is this just another “soul read” based on one random post he makes that you happened to notice? *Mack uses the opportunity Makaze gave him to throw a lynch on Fenrir by using his question “who would you lynch right now” to move there. I’d have been more convinced of your read on Fenrir had you made that of your own accord, not under pressure. You also use the reasoning of another player ((Rad’s reasoning)) to justify your lynch. Do you have anything more on Fenrir? Maybe thoughts of your own? Page 7: *Makaze calls Rad town based on his follow up post to Fenrir (Makaze quotes it). I hate to just say I agree, but atm, I do agree. I also like Rad’s push on Mack to get more out of him ((specifically Mack’s own thoughts)). *Makaze points out people will view his interactions with Fable as a thunderdome and NAI, but that is exactly what it is and you’ve not done a thing to change it. You just sit back and play into Fable’s trolls, or his own laziness, which he states (somewhere) that he will post more later on in the phase. I don’t understand why you continue to “push” a brick wall that’s clearly not budging and at this point my read on you starts to become more of a “you’re trying to look like you are active and contributing to scumhunting but you’re actually not.” There’s no way at this point that a Fable lynch will happen, yet you persist. It adds nothing to the game imo. *Mack makes another post about Fenrir that piggybacks off of Rad’s answers, as Rad’s last post assumed Fenrir was confused over his wording. The only thing you’ve added, Mack, is that you reject this thing that Rad says and that’s why Fenrir’s scum to you. You’re still not using original thoughts, here.

Indeed I am. And I appear to be quite low on content. I’m going to change this with a bunch of scattered posts throughout the work day.

##Vote Makaze

Role PMs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZtnLv9CDp97gX0hOYdrRizApjNIiZnP_w686zkY5AlY/edit?usp=sharing Modsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_LXAy2U60jYBm9LMC--kE-NglRUliI-GueWUV7V_5t4/edit?usp=sharing

That has left us with just 4 players left alive, our winners. They are as follows: Refa (GG to Limit, Refa continues to be too cute to kill. Also, a special thanks to you for being what has convinced me to watch JoJo.) Elieson (GG to Theo. F--- the rest of the corpses, it was nothing personal. You proved you were stronger than everyone, after all.) Monde (GG to Tamaril. The true lord of the edge has shown us he is deserving of his title and takes his first win in Edge of the Lord Edition!) Lord Gaius (GG to Yoruba, Orisa shows she's(?) the best support after all and wins the game for ol LG there.)

Hi, this is it! Game is over. N8 ends in just 2 deaths in the form of: Blitz (RIP Enact. Emiya died content, did you?) SB (RIP You wouldn't steal a car. No, we wouldn't, but we would shoot one)

N7 has ended. And with it, more than 1 death!!! General Ciraxis (RIP GameOverReturnOfCiraxis and TheRealCiraxis. The Ciraxi are eternal. Though they fall here, they will rise again another day) Prims (RIP FREEDOM. At least you were better than Communism, and you showed us a thing or two about Astolfo while you were at it! c: ) ThorVic (RIP Yellow. Like most ancient gods, you were worshiped for a time, then left to be forgotten)

Night 4.5 has come and gone with 1 death. This does not effect the deadline for night 5. Please change actions if appropriate if you have shot........ Mackc2 (RIP Not Duke. Ganon got hit with a Ganon Cannon.

N5 has started and ends on January 4th, 2018, at 9:00 PM EST. This leaves you with just under 24 hours to submit actions. With 13 players now remaining, if you send in your action with the tag ##Locked we will consider this your finalized action (unless you change it again before night ends). If all players submit a locked action, night will end early (at our convenience). https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20180104T21&p0=4996&msg=N5+end&font=cursive

N4 ends with the following deaths: Amrock (RIP Candle, he may have burned out, but look at how cute those little hedgehog paws are!!) Bartozio (RIP 008, the grave has your number, give them a call sometime) DefaultBeep (RIP Akane Tendo, Default was beeped out of the game) Eclipse (RIP Crow, the Dark Centurion has been dragged to the underworld) Fenrir Aesir (RIP Nicolai, he dreamed of victory and woke up to defeat)

N4 ends at 9:00 Pm EST tonight. Follow the countdown below for, well, a countdown! https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20180103T21&p0=4996&msg=N4+end&font=cursive

N3 ends with 8 deaths: Chen (RIP Myself, everybody here loves to shoot themselves, ya'know) Corrobin (RIP The Black Barron, you're The Red Barron, now) HoppyKnitz (RIP Ginkgo Leaves, Rem is still best girl!) Javelinlover (RIP Function, the other yandere-chan is dead. Didn't you know, this game only has room for one yandere (me)) Jiac (RIP Lionheart, truly a fierce warrior, now fallen.) Mem (RIP Baka Mitai, The Pepsi Man being discontinued should have been a hint!) Vigvig (RIP Marker, you always had a target marked on you, didn't ya!?) Walrein (RIP M'Kaze, take a note from your mentor and don't play without him. WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!?)