Simon the Digger

What's a Draft Run and how does it work?

I don't like to take personality into account, and I'm surprised you guys do. As for Natasha, I just don't like how squishy she is and at least for me, she DOES liquify if I make a mistake; she has like, a 7 Def average by the time she promotes. And for Tana & Cormag; I just don't like squishy units that aren't like; top 5 in the game like Artur or Vanessa. I'm sure they're good, I just want the absolute best and want no further investment by the route split. However, I'll still look more into it. I also agree on Gerik being Hero. Before I end it, here's a weird thought. Yes, Colm CAN steal and grant stat boosters. But, in a way, so can extra 20 levels for Franz, Vanessa, Artur & Ephraim (I'm not counting Promoted units). Not trying to think up of an argument..just a thought; I'm still thinking about it. Anyway, I think that wraps up this whole Topic, thanks!

I'll use Colm, and he's right. Colm is actually pretty decent; so I may just promote him at Lv.20. I mean, if I'm gonna deploy him at most maps anyway, he might as well be good right? It's not like the Rouge skill benefits much outside of promote gains (Oooh, no picklocks!) However...I feel like saying "it's just sacred stones" is wrong. There's still more margin for improvement, I just like to make my teams the best they can. And good point, Myrrh's not really needed. I prefer to use units with my own experiences behind them as opposed to what others say, so I may use Tana, Cormag & Myrrh myself to see how good they are and judge them myself. Now that I think about it, maybe Artur and Moulder are somewhat equal. Moulder has good Con, and it's helpful having a not-so-squishy magic unit, when Magic units are squishy. Artur is more squishy and doesn't have as much con, but Aut is right, Artur does get XP faster. Regardless, does it matter? They're BOTH relative to one-another Bishops (IMO), and two bishops are good by me. Artur's squisher, but is a bit stronger and gets stronger faster and Moulder is quite defensive. End of the Artur v. Moulder debate, I think they're both good, good enough to both use. Doesn't matter who's better; just who's worth using. Last thing, when I used Cormag on Ephraim's route, he was pretty bad. I know he's a flier, but..I just don't like squishy units and I don't imagine Tana or Cormag being much less squishy on EITHER route. I prefer to keep my squishy units to a minimum, which is why I'm probably only going to use Artur and Vanessa. Is Tana or Cormag overall, worth using? If so, which ones on which routes? I also want to ask a GameFaq's level question. Gerik. Hero or Ranger? Essentially, Axes or one extra Mov? I think having Hand Axes and Garm is better than 7 Mov, but what do you guys think?

I was only going to use Vanessa cause Tana & Cormag aren't as good as her (imo), but that makes me want to only use Vanessa even more. You'd be surprised, Moulder is actually pretty popular. His Magic is good (40%) , his Availability is great, his Con is good and his Defense is good in comparison to other Bishops. Natasha is too squishy and comes late and Artur is also Squishy, but has great growths everywhere else and can at least attack as you baby him. I also feel like 2 Dracoshields for another Bishop (Artur) is a good investment. Cause of Moulder's lack of big flaws like squishiness or availability, I think Moulder is the best Bishop. I Agree, and I'm not saying the Latona staff is the best in the game, but since Moulder has an A rank in staves by the time you promote him, you might as well give him an S staff rank and give him the Latona as opposed to holding off on staves (for like 5 chapters), to give him an S rank in Light. Even though Moulder has good con, Artur will have an A rank by the time you promote him anyway. Latona > Not using Staves & Grinding Light Rank for several chapters I think I still won't use Erika on Ephraim's Route, even before the Route Split. Franz, Seth, Vanessa, Artur & Colm(?) are good enough. Since Erika auto-levels to 15 at Chp.15, and her averages by then are actually worse than all of my other units by then, I'll probably promote her and Spam Sieglinde on the one or two chapters she's required in. Tbh, I don't know where this came from, but I like to have units promoted early as well (if that's what you were saying), and by the time Promote items first appear all my units (except Moulder) will be able to promote as soon as they get them. As for Colm, I took a look at the Stealable items in the game, and there's alot of good loot like Stat Boosters. And colm is a pretty good unit himself, so I'm gonna use him. Also, I'm aware of me liking Myrrh alot (But thankfully not as much as #2 tier list level) but what about USING Myrrh? If I use her at Ch.17 onward, she can become really strong and Solo the last two chapters; like a free, less squishy Bishop. I'm aware of the two "human" chapters left..she can Dominate Morva, the Demon King and just about any Monster by the time you get her, with a couple Gorgon Eggs. I'll probably use her, but what do you guys think?

Thanks for the feedback. I also I agree with promoting to a Rouge. You still didn't say if I should use them? When I used Cormag in Erika's Route he was pretty bad and had NO res, and I'm sure Tana would be pretty similar. Vanessa should be stronger by them by then and I don't want to have to baby more units. I don't think I'm gonna use Tana or Cormag, I just don't like squishy units. Not to mention some may be in Lv.20 limbo cause of whip competition, like you said. I'm not, I'm using him as a Bishop, and he'll also be offensive, just like Artur. By the time he promotes, he's going to have an A rank in Staves, and I know he has good con for Ivaldi, but since I don't want to "rank grind" for S in Light and for Artur S in Staves, I'll just give him Latona and Artur Ivaldi. Are you saying I should both make them S in Light? Eh, I'll pass. I know Latona isn't the best but I'd rather have Latona than having to grind for Ivaldi or S-Class bonuses..unless I should not use Moulder for healing and only Light Magic for like...6 chapters? Do you think that's a good idea? Not to me. I've personally never used Duessel, but many say he's good. I agree GK may be a pretty bad class but, let me try using him to see what I think. I'm aware but the Glitch has never happened to me. I'm not gonna let a less than 20% glitch chance to alter my unit classes, and if it does crash, doesn't it just reset? That's fine by me. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm 90% confident that Erika actually isn't required in any Ephraim chapter except the last one..and maybe ch.17? I won't use her if she isn't required. If she is, I probably will. If this is the case, do you think I should promote her when she auto levels at 15 just so I don't gimp another unit?

You're right, I can spend more units. If I only deploy few units, that'll leave some extra potential units that could've scooped up the kills. But I'll only have 10 (Now with Colm & Gerik). I agree I like to have Lv.20 Promoted units early, and I was aware of the Energy Ring; but not of the other stat boosters. But I agree with Colm's deployment cause he's the next best unit that could make use of the extra kills, like I said earlier Before I wrap this up, when do you think I should Promote Colm? 10? 15? 20? I'm still thinking 20, but what do you think? And what do you think of the other unit's place on the team? Should I use Tana/Cormag too?

I prefer to have Stronger but Fewer Units as opposed to Weaker but Plentiful Units. The "Extra" Units like Tana or Lute either squishier, weaker or require more babying than their counterparts (Vanessa & Artur). Why do you think otherwise though? I see your point, but I prefer having to take up one or two (two's at worst) slots than having to invest in Colm. True, a Unit having to go out of their way to get some chests are also annoying but..That's at least 10 other levels other units could use, and only for more efficient pilfering. I COULD also always just have a unit go back and get the chests when I'm almost done with the chapter, since all my other units should dominate by the Mid-Game, they're all going to be promoted by then. (The latest is on 10 Erika's/12 Ephraim's) and having Colm may endanger that. My thoughts are: Efficient Killing > Efficient Pilfering. But do you think a Lv.10 Promoted Colm is a good idea? What?? I had no clue. But you can have Unlock Staves and Chest Keys by Ch.9 on Erika and Ch.11 on Ephraim. And on Ephraim's you'll only miss out on a Restore/2500 G in Ch. 9. Since I'm not using Colm I'm not including the Ocean Seal. In Short, here's my preference with my poison: at least 10 more levels & 1 slightly gimped unit > at least 10 less levels. Also, assuming the Colm Replacement is Artur (cause he can use Unlocks), he has free enough slots anyway, cause he doesn't use much beyond lightning and a staff. I'm gonna try not using a thief for this playthrough to see how it goes.

L'Arachel; Mage Knight And do Ephraim, have fun with the Ghost Ship

Is this Objective or...for the lulz? (IF SO EWAN)

Tana & Cormag take babying and their Averages compared to Vanessa are only slightly higher. I want to use only the very BEST units for an optimized run. I also agree with using Gerik on Erika's Route because he's too good. Also, Gerik's Bases compare to a Lv.3 Paladin Franz's Averages 3:4...so I may use him on Ephraim's Route too. What do you think? I don't want to use Colm because Keys and Unlock staves negate his existence, and I don't want to baby many units. I will use Ephraim on Eirika's Route as well, because he is also pretty godly and gets a Mount, with only 5 levels of babying. And I remembered that Myrrh can be okay with Monsters, but against Human Units (Which is 2/3 of her Chapters onward) she's not helpful and too squishy, so never mind her.

What do you think of my team? For Erika's Route: Eirika [Seiglinde] (B: Seth) Seth [Audhulma] (A: Franz B: Eirika) Franz: Paladin (A: Seth) Vanessa: Wyvern Knight [Vidofnir] (A: Moulder) Moulder: Bishop [Latona] (A: Vanessa) Artur: Bishop [Ivaldi] (A: Tethys) Tethys (A: Artur) Saleh [Excalibur] (No Supports) For Ephraim's Route: Seth [Audhulma] (A: Franz B: Eirika) Franz: Paladin (A: Seth) Vanessa: Wyvern Knight [Vidofnir] (A: Moulder) Moulder: Bishop [Latona] (A: Vanessa) Artur: Bishop [Ivaldi] (A: Tethys) Ephraim [Seigmund] (A: Duessel) Duessel [Garm] (A: Ephraim) Tethys (A: Artur) And some questions: For Eirika's Route, I'm still using Erika cause I'd rather baby her than gimp another unit rescuing her or having to protect her. But in Ephraim's, Eirika isn't required except in the last chapter (I THINK) so I'm not going to use her. But still, let me know if I should. Should I use Gerik? He takes some babying, but he can hold his own as an un-promote extremely well, and he his growths are insane. (They're very similar to Franz) Should I use Tana or Cormag? If so, in which route? Should I use Artur? I know he has good growths, but he's kinda squishy (at least in my previous playthrough) Should I use Colm? I CAN baby him, but I could just use Keys or Unlock staves. What about Ephraim in Erika's route? He auto-levels to Lv.15 when he re-joins. And..I know you've heard this alot, but what about Myrrh? Is she that bad? Let me know what you think! I'm not spamming the topic Changes to Team: Gerik in both Routes, Ephraim on Erika's, Colm on Both Routes

Good Advice. Don't worry guys, I GET the point that Myrrh is stupid high, I see all your points. I may make a new tier list, but after some weeks and after I research a bit more and just kinda...get good? Myrrh is between Gilliam and Rennac (#23), And top 5 is Seth, Vanessa, Tethys, Franz and Gerik in that order. Tana & Cormag are right below them and most pre-promotes (Saleh, Duessel) are a bit below Ephraim. Garcia, Niemi and Marisa are right above the last two bottoms; Amelia and Ewan; so I don't know if they still belong there? I don't wanna spam this Topic, but I just want some last advice so I can make this better.

Myrrh has 6, but I guess that doesn't matter much. Yes, she does get it slower than the others but she can still One-Round them to get EXP. I guess the last few chapters shouldn't have any more unit investment and more about just killing..but she only needs 3 or 4 eggs to be on par with the other units; at least in raw power. The only Snipers Myrrh-onward are the Snipers in Chp 23, and only in the top corridor. And you're right, damage bonus doesn't matter as much as I thought. I was also thinking too much about the end-game and not as much the "all-game". Thanks for the advice

I've played only three FE's, "broad", I know. But I think Fe8's chapter 23 is fantastic. It's a Defense chapter, defend Mansel on the throne from the endless enemies from the North and South. Surprisingly, it's a ton of fun defending an endless onslaught of enemies with your best units at the endgame, at least to me.

I really appreciate the advice, especially on Myrrh. I guess it's not about not having a good unit with no investment, but having a good unit as they "invest" throughout the chapters, like Franz. It's not about the end game but the "all-game". I also get Now that three times damage matters less than, "can they kill the monster or not?" Franz is mini-seth? I heard of that, but I just put a shit ton of Bishops on my team; and I didn't enough room for him...I'm probably gonna meme'd for saying that *sigh* I don't question your claim on Saleh and Duessel, I've just never used them. But I'm confident they're good, they should be Vanessa, I'm sure she's good but I think her growths are still great, but not..phenomenal? I think Seth's growths ARE phenominal I don't see 45 plus for every growth. (Daddy Seth)

I appreciate the advice. I'm gonna play though the games with the units I haven't used, to see what they can offer. I now I see put some of the Bishops, trainees (and definitely myrrh) too high and Franz, Vanessa, Dussel & Saleh too low. As well as Garcia and Neimi, I get that sub-30 is pretty bad, but they're still terrible. But, I now see they're better than the trainees; less babying. I know it's wrong, but my logic for Myrrh was while every other unit in the game needs investment; Myrrh only needs a handful of Gorgon eggs and she can destroy any monster. I know she joins dumb late, but my logic is she's better than 95% of units in the game by that point. Obviously, units like Seth and Franz are better generally; but not at the point Myrrh Joins onward, even if she needs a tad babying...but I guess you could use a Sacred Twin weapon. She's not #2, but I think she's still worth deploying. I wonder what you guys think of Athos? I put every possible Bishop really high cause times 3 damage to everything is pretty good. Then I put the fliers, then the mounted units below that. I also do grind the healers and Tethys up 'till Lv.20 asap, so I probably don't know their flaws as good. (at least I don't use Valni?) What exactly should I REALLY understand?

I'm already playing through SS, but there are some units that I'm not sure how good they are. I'm sure they're good but..how good are they? I heard Franz is top 5 units in the game, as well as Vanessa and Tana being some of the most useful. I also heard Saleh and Duessel are really good pre-promotes. I also think Myrrh's like a Late Seth, who can essentially kill any monster almost as soon as you get her. But I heard she's not as good as the some of the other units I mentioned. I wanna know how good these units are. Thoughts?

Ross is good as a Berserker because he gets +15% Critical for his class and the most con, which is good for Axes & Garm cause they're heavy. Amelia, can either become a General or Great Knight for Axes and Weapon Triangle advantage, but she's way too slow Movement wise as either. I think she's best as a Paladin for 8 Mov and access to Lances. Ewan's summons are worse than Knoll's, so there's no real point to promote him as one. Druid is stronger than Sage, so Druid is better class. I personally don't use Trainees, but that's what I think.

I see, good point. I'm still learning, so I guess I gotta check her out. My logic is that she's like Late Seth, where she can one-round any monster out of the box, even if she comes late. You could invest time in another unit or just use one that's already really good. I'm also considering CC. But now that I think about it, you're right..but I still think she's worth deploying. Also yeah WHOOPS. My Bad. I just made this kinda quickly for fun, I didn't put too much thought into it

Looks great to me! I know Myrrh joins late, but I still feel like should be placed a TON higher; definitely A-Tier. She can solo any Monster in the game from that point on. I also feel like the fliers and bishops should be placed a little higher, as well as Innes, Forde, Duessel and Garcia being lower; and Colm being a bit higher. I don't really know how good Duessel and Saleh are; so I still have more to learn about the game. But, that's how I play. You can really play FE in anyway you want, all units can be considered "good". Except for Marisa

Ephraim and Gerik are good units...but not sure they're top 7 Potential. I'd say top 10 but not top 7. I feel like Tana and Cormag are good though, top 10 I think. Joshua hits like a wet noodle, and definitely isn't top 5 units in the game. I'd say he's right in the middle. That goes DOUBLE for Marisa. Imo WORST unit in the game. All of the Trainees, (don't care what you say) are bad units. They all require a CRAP ton of investment; and probably won't even live up to the better units in the game. Their growths aren't good either, most of their growths barely surpass 50%. Seth, Myrrh, the Bishops among better units are more than enough; even on Hard Mode.

Let me know what you think of the tier list, I want to improve as an FE player. I consider how good a unit is by how much babying they require to viable, and well...just how viable they are. Strong, Fast, High Mov, Slayer skill, etc. Also new to the Boards. Don't rip me a new one 1-10: 11-20: 21-30: 31-33:

You think so, Xanaxian? I guess I can see that. I perfer L'arachel personally

You think so, Xanaxian? I guess I can see that. I perfer L'arachel personally

Do people actually like Erika? I think she's alright, personally