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Ok, the Chapter 9 clear in 3 turns is good. But it's really important for you to change the title of this thread as it's misleading to say it's a genuine LTC run on console with no tools. You casually get +4 mag talk bonuses for Felicia as if it's an easy thing to do, use bonus items, RNG abuse things with "around" 1/70000 chance of success which is pretty horrific, and casually rig My Castle conversations for support points (what supports are you going for? Niles x Camilla would take several years on console). None of these things would help with an LTC run on console apart from bonus items, and using Felicia with Disrobing Gale requires RNG abuse anyway. So yes, while you did a good job on this clear, and feel free to play as you want, but I honestly think that clearing Chapter 9 without all these things in more turns is much harder, since you rig misses and use bonus items and rig support points and get talk bonuses as you need them.

Basically no one thinks Takumi is high tier. Although yes he is excellent on the player phase, most enemy combat generally takes place during the enemy phase, in which he is completely useless. It's important for units to be able to fight during the enemy phase too. So Takumi would be mid tier at the very best.

Someone on Reddit beat Lunatic Conquest in 93 turns: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ8w77MvvLwoKwfVZOKKQme2fjiTLidtZ The strategies in general are pretty amazing, but 19 and 26 just blow my mind.

The difference is that you can get Renown points by playing though the game normally (no normal person LTCs a game on their first playthrough of the game). It takes no extra time at all to have enough Renown points for the Second Seal, does it? After doing a casual playthrough of Awakening, you can go ahead and do an LTC run with enough Renown points. But you need internet access and a lot of free time to get Battle/Visitor points, which is contrary to the purpose of an LTC run.

I think there's a difference. Grinding Avatar supports is easy to do in real life and only would take like a week for S rank. Grinding Niles x Camilla would take several years in real life. I really don't see why he just doesn't allow path bonuses, DLC grinding and such. He should do it.

Have you even bothered to read the thread? I was referencing the thread, not Reddit. Indeed.

That's also illegitimate since you're allowing visitor bonuses (or getting Disrobing Gale via My Castle convos which is also not allowed, it's not replicable). Can't you get a Boots and a Rescue staff via visitor/battle bonuses? Here's a video of it from someone who posts LTC vids on Reddit. Chapter 12 seems easy to do in 2 turns actually, but let's see if you legitimately did Chapter 11 in 2 turns. That would be interesting.

It was mostly people agreeing that your run wasn't legitimate.

You are right, but from what I have seen on Reddit from Gwimpage and Chiki, in Fates LTCs My Castle battles are banned and DLC battles are banned too. So the only way to do this on console would be to wait for several years. Not even joking. So this is illegitimate and practically impossible on console. Suppose you can do it once every 50 attempts you reset. Camilla x Niles needs 15 conversations if it's 1 point per conversation (I guess they gain points in 11 and 12 too, but ignoring this for now) then it would take 50 x 15 = 750 days, or over 2 years. LOL This is just cheating.

That's not legitimate. That would take years to do on console. At least the Jakob x Avatar S support in Chapter 7 takes a week or so in real life. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's legitimate, and you seem surprisingly comfortable with hacking things. And I don't see how you were able to 2 turn 11 and 12. MoogleBoss got 3 turns for 11 and 12 with bonus movement:

Is there any way to make the patch not expand the ROM? The 6 MB version of the patched rom didn't work on my PSP either.

How did you get Niles to marry Camilla in time for that?

The legitimate way to use My Castle by building support points is to wait several days. You can't just do DLC maps or edit some hexes to get My Castle conversations which is probably what you did given that you said you tested it out after only 2 days! It takes days to test it out, so obviously you did something wrong. It would at least take 2 weeks to marry Corrin and Jakob if you had an average of one conversation a day. A couple months ago, I waited a week (I did not visit anyone or do any DLC maps) to get Hinoka and Corrin from B to A support. I was curious about the mechanics as well. I was on Chapter 13 or something. I got Hinoka from C to B in one conversation in the 13 base. It takes 4 more points for A. I managed to get them around a conversation a day on average, so seven conversations after they got B support. Their level did not increase despite my getting more conversations than needed. Then I did a DLC map, and it worked. As far as I know, doing DLC maps and visiting other people's castles and battling them would be against the rules of Fates LTCs. Did you use DLC maps/visit other people's castles and battle them? That would explain why it seems there is no cap.

Um no, lol. You don't understand my argument. In Awakening, you HAVE TO script run the whole map at once because the RNs in Awakening stay the same if you bookmark. You CANNOT change the RN of a map by making a bookmark and reloading it. You HAVE TO script run the whole map at once. The automated resetting tool you describe would work for Radiant Dawn, which you have already attempted to do, though. Why? Because the RNs of the map do change when you make a suspend state and reload the map. But this is impossible with Awakening, because you cannot use your automated resetting tool on a bookmark. You'd get the same results over and over again with your automated resetting tool because every bookmark has the same RNs upon loading! Therefore, we can infer that you are lying about the automated resetting tool. There is no such thing. I am surprised KTT hasn't pointed this out given that he has more knowledge than probably anyone in the world about Awakening's mechanics, but w/e. Further, you refuse to give me a printscreen of your tool, which makes it even more obvious that you're lying. Your run is not only illegimate as a proper LTC run because it uses tools to begin with, but it's also even more illegitimate since you won't tell us what tools you are actually using. My guess is you use the Awakening save editor to hack your unit's stats to make RNG abusing a lot easier. Given your previous history of lying (I looked into this), and the ease with which you can get 1/100000 clears, I'm surprised anyone takes any of your runs seriously at this point.

How about showing us a printscreen of your tool in use? Then we could get a better idea of how it works. Bookmarks would only help you if RNs changed every bookmark. They don't. They remain the same every time you load the map. Funnily enough, no one knows how to burn RNs in Awakening. I just googled this: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=49848 So, literally, bookmarking is worthless for the tool you mentioned which has "automated resetting." If you keep resetting a bookmark that's not going to help you because each bookmark in Awakening has the same RNs. Unlike in Radiant Dawn. I highly doubt that you would know how the RN system in Awakening works for bookmark abuse given that no one else has ever figured it out and AFAIK you have never played this game prior to this run. Tl;dr bookmarking in Awakening keeps the same RNs so you cannot use your "automated resetting tool" for it.

You mean "for any hacker." Being able to hack doesn't make him anything special at all. 1 in 1 billion is doable for any hacker, easily. I don't see why you have to put him on a pedestal because he can hack games on his emulator? So what? This guy took a day break from his Lunatic LTC just to do a Prologue 2 turn which should take about 5000 hours, or more than half a year. That he is hacking is obvious and I don't see why you think it's impressive that he can hack. Look, anyone can feel free to do a challenge run involving hacking (is that even challenging? part of the difficulty, it seems to me, from an LTC run is being able to come up with reliable strategies). But just don't pretend that this run is legitimate when it involves hacking. This run still can be cool if you just put "FE13 Lunatic Hacked LTC" or "FE13 Lunatic LTC with Hacking" or something like that. That would be cool too. At least admit to it! In speedruns which I'm more familiar with, for example, in the SDA, real speedruns don't have tool assistance and tool-assisted speedruns are a different beast altogether. The latter are still cool and interesting, but they're a different category from real speedruns.

Are you serious? It's only very doable if you're a hacker. If an attempt takes on average around 3 minutes, that's about 300000 minutes or 5000 hours wasted on attempts to cut 1 turn on the Prologue. I don't browse or sign on this forum very much apart from things like look at LTC playthroughs and the recent translation patch and such, but it's very sad to see LTC playthroughs nowadays resort to mysterious hacking nowadays because of your strange OCD obsession with hacking for the lowest turncounts that aren't practical even in the slightest on console. At first I thought it was cool, but now it's just getting boring.

Yes, it works fine on my computer on Snes9x. It just doesn't work with Snes9x Euphoria R5 on the PSP.

The patch and ROM don't work on my PSP with the Snes9x Euphoria emulator, both soft modded or hard modded, it just crashes. To be more specific, it freezes indefinitely soft-patched but hard-patched it just turns off my PSP. Maybe because it becomes an 8 MB rom? Is there no simple fix available? I'd really appreciate a fix for this since I'd much prefer to play FE4 on a handheld rather than the PC, but I understand if this would be too difficult for you guys.

Hey there. This is an another interesting thread from you, but what tools do you use to RNG abuse? It might be helpful for the community if you shared it! You said the Prologue alone had a 1/20000 chance of succeeding not including good level ups for Robin. I guess you don't just sit there and reset over and over again, right? Do you just edit in good level ups and critical hits with Citra or what? AFAIK Citra doesn't support save states though, so I'm not sure how you would know this.

Wow, this would be really impressive. If it wouldn't take you much effort, could you please do this playthrough? I want to see it.

What theory? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Soren is extremely fragile and he can't take more than a couple hits with a bexp dump and a Seraph Robe dump on fixed mode. This is just common sense; there's no theory involved here. Assuming level 15 Soren, he has 25 HP and 4 def (lol). 32 HP with the Seraph Robe. The enemies have around 14-16 might in Chapter 8 (go look at the enemy stats) and he gets 3HKOed by enemies with more than 15 might. And isn't bexp abusing not allowed in drafts anyway? Espinosa already pointed this out. Isn't it 50 bexp per chapter? Further proof that drafters are liars.

Yes, please explain how a level 13-15 unpromoted Soren in fixed mode (meaning horrible durability) is reliably promoting in Chapter 8. Guess what? It's impossible without a crapload of RNG abuse. This is exactly why drafters aren't taken seriously: they tend to lie about their turncounts and RNG abuse all the time.

I think he's entitled to those kills if he really does perform as Hawk King says he does. So I'd reject that argument. But it's worth noting that Soren has crap for durability, especially without RNG abuse and in fixed mode, so I seriously doubt you can get him enough kills to promote in Chapter 8, even if you bexp him up to level 15. You'd probably need to rig a bunch of misses and stuff to do that. So I honestly need to see this strategy being done. As Espinosa pointed out, ignoring Hawk King's idea for a second, Ilyana is probably better than Soren due to being able to siege tome abuse better than him thanks to that handy +hit support bonus. I believe it's already been proven that Ilyana is a preferable option over Soren due to that.

Actually, I changed my mind on Soren. Hawk King definitely has a great point, but it's only a great point if all this is true in practice. It seems hypothetical for now. Hawk King is also wrong on Chapter 25 being 2 turned with Vantage Soren because you can't get Vantage in Chapter 15 while also 2 turning it. So it all depends on a 2 turn of 24, and the unlikely 3 turn of 23 with Soren.