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Looking at it with the context it just seems as if you are blowing things our of proportion tbh. I kinda get where you draw your conclusion from but I don't agree. I think that you are taling Shinori's posts as more then they are. He never really shaded Walrein and his denial of mentioning them was something that could easily just be human error. I really thinm that you are stretching the truth here.

Mellow players who are lazy and haven't read up would do that, and that is exactly how I perceive Walrein right now. A single read for small reasons is easy to overlook, especially if little emphasis is put on it, which your read follows. I can't download the program you linked because I'm on mobile. It's not my fault I don't understand the point you are conveying anyways so it's your job to make it clear to me.

What do you mean by "the way I've kind of picked at both of you?"

If that's the context you failed to give any of that in your post and I would like it rewritten so i can understand what you are saying

Pocketing somebody doesn't require high attention to detail. It just requires pandering to your audience. If giving him free towncred is what panders to him then he will do it. I also can't take your defense of "That's not what I would do to pocket him" seriously. Saying you wouldn't do something means nothing. It means absolutely nothing. Why? Because you can simply ignore that statement and do the opposite. This site has better players than I am used to but the one criticism I have is how everybody uses self meta and treats meta like fact. Like no, that's not how it works and mafia is way more complex than that.

You never gave any real evidence on Shinori's side. You just pointed out one progression that seemingly has nothing wrong and another post which doesn't give associations with Walrein. Idek what Mack was anyways.

Your reasons for clearing Walrein were shit. You just said "He is lock town because his tone" and left it at that. Yes it was unique but it was unique for a reason. That being said I want you to rewrite this argument because you make it seem like you cleared Walrein for actual reasons.

An ability failing has nothing to do with who he targetted, unless the person is a commuter esque role where they can make all actions against them fail.

I would consider him fakeclaiming roleblocked, had the roleblocker not been compulsive. Compulsive means that he absolutely has to roleblock somebody, meaning unless the person they killed was roleblocked, his claim can't be fake, and I doubt scum would simply waste a utility like that for distancing purposes.

The Shinori side of associations is honestly pretty weak. The Walrein side is mostly hypothetical cases as in it's not hard to place town motivation behind their actions. The most damning thing here was the spontaneous townread of Shinori, but that isn't even that bad when you consider that they could have just forgot to explain and if nobody told them to explain, they wouldn't have merit too. Their laziness is also making me think that laziness had an effect on why their Shinori read remained unexplained I'm not convinced.

I only get one charge per correct bet, so I would need two correct bets to get two vig shots. And doesn't the watcher have some sort of negative modifier?

It doesn't promote w/w interactions. Your switch on Walrein leads me to one of these conclusions: 1. You are town who just didn't pay attention to anything 2. You are scum that decided giving in and scum reading Walrein was a better play

The formatting of links you used is different. I'd prefer raw links as well. Easier to work with.

Then I guess I would be the only valid motivator option unless he wants to make a 3 person neighbourhood?

It's a matter of your thought processes lined up exactly and I don't feel that it is purely coincidental. You hop onto Walrein does feel ingenuine in that sense. It only happened after I shed doubt on your Walrein read anyways. It feels like your early read was a poclet attempt or just you being completely oblivious, and I'm more inclined to believe the former. Can you quote or link me to the posts you want me to look at?

The rest of Shinori's reads are on dead plauers and don't affect the game right now.

These reads should honestly clear Athena and Kill. Shinori, in this scenario, wouldn't bus a partner. The fact that both are co networkers is pinging me some way but I can't put my finger on it. It's probably coincidental though. They gave very little info as to why Kirsche was scum. They just said "his day play is bad." That doesn't ping me as a bus, and it was probably more of a bandwagon read because Kirsche was being scum read by many. Athena would not get pushed by Shinori in this scenario so I'm confident they are town as well. Their ITP speculation on Refa is just bad and is just shade. They simply stated "I think Refa is ITP" but gave no reasoning whyand said they specifically wouldn't try to lynch them. Their Walrein read is interesting though. They tone read him as town day one but retracted that and called them scum for low activity in day 2. It reminds me of Makaze's flip now. The resemblence is odd and is giving me strange vibes. It makes me trust Makaze less. Walrein is probably town from these points, ignoring role spec.

We should definitely be lynching the hydra slot. Analyzing Shinori now

If you have suspicions that I'm mafia just give it to Alette. It shouldn't matter too much.

Wait Walrein claiked his action failed night 1. Didn't a scum compulsive roleblocker flip? That would clear Walrein if he truly was roleblocked Also Walrein, you are motivating myself or Alette tonight to get extra kill power. Motivating anybody else won't benefit as most of the PRs left have no beneficial action from an extra charge.

The way that everybody hopped on Walrein as easily as they did makes me suspect that he is town or scum working alone. Haven't read up to where he claimed yet

It Can't be two slots but it could be the hydra. Props to the hosts if they did this.

@Refa just because a 3rd party has claimed something that wouldn't line up doesn't mean the ITP doesn't have that ability anyways. Serial Killers are often given passives to go along with their killing ability. Omega's claim actually is something I would expect to be an SK passive.

I'm honestly not sure if Omega is ITP or not but killing him isn't what I would say we need now. We have 11 or 12 people alive right now and I presume 2/3 scum. The extra KPN will not deal us a massive number blow. The extra KPN also gives me a higher chance of guessing the kill correctly which allows me to gain my ability. At that point I would say going for KPN would be beneficial but right now we should be focusing on mafia and not ITP.

@Fable @Baldrick thanks for your help. I'll analyze Shinori once I catch up.