Earth Worm Jim

Actually this is blatantly false. In the support with Sylvain he points out that Rhea wanted to take away his family's weapons but that they refuse to give it to her. So Rhea did try to get back the Crest stones but the nobles don't want to give them up. Also you have to consider why the lie exists, in order to hide where the Crest stones and crests come from. Because if people knew the truth then they'd just repeat the actions of the Agarthans no different from what Edelgard did.

No it is not because it was under false pretenses, Azmur blessed the marriage based on the pretense that Deirdre was unmarried (she wasn't), that she was his only direct descendant (she wasn't), that Arvis and Deirdre weren't incestuous (that were). Because of that Azmur blessing the marriage is moot, because if Azmur had the full knowledge he wouldn't have allowed Arvis to marry Deirdre. If you marry someone under false pretenses depending on what that pretense is (such as that person being your sibling ) that marriage is void. It doesn't matter who blessed the marriage, because they were lied to anyway. Children born from an incestuous union are considered to be bastard children. Arvis and Deirdre being siblings voids their marriage, it doesn't matter that the king blessed the union because it was under false pretenses. Arvis's feelings for Deirdre don't matter. The reason why Arvis and Deirdre are shown in a bad light is because they're siblings, Arvis only loves her because he has an Oedipus complex, Deirdre was brainwashed, she was kidnapped from her happy marriage, she was torn away from her child, and they're only together because of an evil cult set out to bringing back their evil god. There's a laundry list of reasons for why they're shown in a negative light. You could even make the argument that Arvis never truly loved Deirdre, he was just projecting his love and abandonment issues onto her. Because Arvis "love" was more akin to posession, he didn't put Deirdre's feelings and well being first instead he focused more on himself. Even arguing the way how they met is moot because even if you got rid of the Manfroy and his planning then Arvis and Deirdre wouldn't have ended up together anyway because Deirdre would have no reason to have been hidden. And neither would the secret of her existence and relation to Arvis. In fact that'd more likely to be the thing that people would have found out first. Arvis would have been soundly rejected.

If anything Azmur acknowledging it delegitimizes it even more because it was done under false pretenses. It works against Arvis as all it means is that he misrepresented the truth to the king. Whether or not Azmur found out about it doesn't matter, all that matters is the truth. Julius and Julia aren't legitimate children, it isn't surprising as the relationship wasn't ever meant to be seen as a good thing. It's strange to accept but kings aren't all powerful his words are tentative law. Case in point Elizabeth I's brother Edward had intended for his cousin to take the throne after his death signed it as law, usurping his sister's natural position as the one who stood to rule upon his death. But that didn't last long because Edward didn't have the power to decide on things like that. A king's words aren't the be all end all especially after their death and in light of new information. What I was trying to point out is that Seliph's claim is more than just he's the oldest.

Actually, in the the case of Arvis and Deirdre's marriage you could argue that it wasn't legitimate since Sigurd was still alive and well when Arvis made her his fiance and because they're half siblings. Any child from that union is therefore considered to be not just a bastard child but also a child of incest. If Seliph didn't exist then they'd probably would be accepted as legitimate but since he exists they aren't. Seliph's claim to the throne is that he's older, male, from a legitimate marriage from two able minded and consenting adults who weren't siblings.

Well Arvis received love but he chose not accept it, Seliph on the other hand sought love.

Actually, while Arvis's environment wasn't the best, Arvis did have a chance to make it better or at least to make things easier on himself. But in many ways Arvis was too busy feeling sorry for himself to really see what was going on around him. For instance Cigyun, she was really suffering and as soon as she had a way out she took it. It was an abusive household, and no one should havve to suffer through it. But I don't think that Arvis even though he knew that she was suffering he really didn't seem to understand why she would seek to escape it. And so he couldn't accept the idea that his mother would leave his father and him behind, despite knowing that his father treats his mother like crap. Then you have Azelle's mother who cared for Arvis, but she couldn't do much because Arvis never let her in. Ditto for Azelle himself, he loved him but Arvis never let him in. Instead he just held those around him at arm's length. At some point Arvis started wallowing in despair. While his pasts explains some of his behavior, it doesn't excuse any of it. Seliph grew up literally having to hid himself because if he was found he'd be immediately killed. Seliph more so than Arvis had to be extra careful on who he trusted.

I agree, Sigurd, entire situation is the answer to the question "what would happen if you made Camus a Lord?". I'd actually argue that Kaga failing worked out so well because ultimately it made Sigurd more of an approachable and therefore likable character, and got rid of a potentially frustrating sceneario. Because I can't tell you how frustrating it is to play a game with a stumbling fool who actively makes nothing but bad decisions, despite having the option not to. It's not fun. You what's really ironic about Sigurd's situation is ultimately Sigurd's actions are also what set into motion the events and criteria that would ultimately save Grannvale and defeat Manfroy. Him marrying Deirdre not only deterred Manfroy for a time, but it also set into motion the events that would result in Manfroy's defeat. Seliph being born first made it so that Julius wasn't the true heir to the throne at the time he was born. Not only that but Deirdre being married and that marriage being consummated when Arvis meets her also in some ways invalidates the marriage between Deirdre and Arvis (them being siblings invalidates it even more) as it calls into question her state of mind at the time of their marriage. It also makes Arvis a upsurper as his authority over Grannvale is contingent to his marriage to Deidre and Julius's own claim. But because of Seliph's existence Julius's claim isn't as strong. This is what made the liberation army legitimate in the eyes of history, as it wasn't a revolution but rather simply deposing a upsurper and his evil cult. Basically, Sigurd's road to hell was more a slope that was pushed down. While Arvis paved his road to hell, and then reached the downward slope and subsequently rolling down it. Thing is both Arvis and Sigurd are naive, they're just naive in different ways. Yeah, even more interesting to point out is the fact that in reality, Seliph and Sigurd actually don't have a whole lot in common in terms of their story. Seliph is not Sigurd's foil, he's Arvis's foil. They have pretty similar pasts, what with both of their mothers running off with another man and that fact shaping their lives, with the both of their fathers being people that society looked down on, and both growing up as orphans from a young age. Their real difference lies in their personalities and how they reacted to it, Arvis internalized everything, building up a Oedipus complex, pushing others away. Building up an image in his head on how he believed things really were and reacting violently towards anyone who dares to dispel the illusion. Building himself up in an image of power and ruthlessness and gaining an arrogance and overconfidence in himself. Meanwhile Seliph is far more humble, he doesn't see himself as the only true person who can bring about peace. Instead he seeks out like minded individuals. He tends to take the moral highground. He doesn't seem to internalize everything, instead he accepted the reality of his situation . Only acting out in anger when he finally meets the person who caused his situation. And really I half expected Seliph to basically to give Arvis a massive speech about how his actions caused the suffering of those around him but especially Seliph himself. How he made another child suffer through the same situation that he went through, how Arvis ultimately isn't any different from the father that he hates so much. I feel that that was a scene that was really needed and I was confused that we never got it, though knowing now how Kaga felt about Arvis now, it explains why.

Creators are not infallible even though a creator can intend to make a situation appear one way doesn't mean that they succeeded in doing so. So the first question one should ask themselves when the creators talk about their intent is "was the creator successful in conveying that intent?" The reason I say this is because looking at Genealogy, I think that Kaga intended to make Sigurd appear overly naive and even stupid, but he failed to convey that. Instead, he put Sigurd into an impossible situation where he had very little power and knowledge to act on. But Kaga didn't give Sigurd enough power for his decisions to make much of a difference. The only real way he could have avoided everything would have been if he took Deidre and booked it from Granvale altogether. On the flip side though, Kaga intended for Arvis's situation to be unavoidable, but it isn't. Because Kaga gave Arvis too much power, too much information, To the point where Arvis could have prevented most of not all of the bad things that happened. But he failed to do so not because he couldn't but because he constantly and selfishly puts himself before others. It's not believable that Arvis would have suffered discrimination because of his Loptuous blood because he has way too much power. In fact, knowing his past it seems more like if people avoided him it was because of his personality. He doesn't come across as an approachable person. And him murdering people who speak the truth about his mother wouldn't make people enthusiastic to interact with him. In fact he'd likely get a bad reputation for it.