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^ You yourself ended up overrating Calill >_> Anyway, Oscar is definitely a good unit. I'd kill to have Geoffrey over him, but you play with the cards you're dealt.. Fast and on a mount, Oscar is one of your more dependable units. He's kind of weak, so you constantly want to be forging strong lances for him to bridge the gap (if you can afford it) or else he'll be hitting for diddly squat. He's got the quintessential Earth affinity, so he'll be a solid partner to pretty much any GM (I tend to pair him up with Mia) Overall, he's awesome in part III, but a weak choice in part IV (Even if you levelled him up, Silver Knights are weak endgame) 8/10

Ugh, story of my life. I was looking for FE comics, and ended up finding things that should be better off left un-found. Deviant Art is a little better (but not by much :/) (tries to bleach his memory)

I think they're just pulling our chain at least half of the time.

Ok another good batch of com- (sees your dad) Hahahaha Oh my Ashera, that was fucking hilarious. Didn't even see the punchline coming, despite me being obsessed with that joke (and annoying the hell out of my brother with said joke). It caught me by surprise too since I was eating and I ended up chocking a bit. Where do you find these amazing comics :O

Haha Executioner you're absolutely on point, those were just the kind of comics I wanted to see. I'm a bit wary of checking out sites like DA and tumblr nowadays for fan comics since they're usually grody, but I now realize that the potential to find an amazing comic outweighs the bad. (looks for FE8 / FE10 comics)

So I did a quick search around the forums and I couldn't any threads dedicated to Fire Emblem comics. That changes, starting today! Post your favorite FE comics (or images) and let's see what happens. I'll start by posting my 2 favorites: And now, a Fire Emblem comic Titania meets the Black Knight ------- Don't hold back! I want to all kinds of FE comics (but try not to make it too creepy)

I can appreciate what Boyd does for the GMs, but i've never really liked him. He's a strong, offensive unit with good durability but his speed is awful. Ordinarily, I wouldn't really have a problem with that but in general he's always competing with more competent Axe users. Titania and Haar always get their weapon pics over him, and he's always fed scraps (for example, he could really use a speed wing since he's so slow on HM, but Haar almost always takes it/there's no way in hell I could afford to give him a good forged weapon (other than a hand axe) after Titania and Haar get their shares). That said, you can always count on him to take a hit on HM, and he's definitely helped me out of a few tough spots in HM. Overall, he's good in part III, but meh in part IV (outshined most axe users, including NOLAN who despite being a lower level can easily catch up) 7.3/10 (a little better than 7, but not quite at 7.5 either).

Oh come on. Yes NoA's voice acting for FE9 and FE10 was terrible (i'd even go as far and say that it was downright unacceptable; you should hire voice actors not use random employees) but if Kid Icarus Uprising's dubbing was phenomenal, so it's likely FE13 will have good dubbing. Really, in regards to voice acting, NoA has improved tremendously. Voice acting in Brawl notwithstanding (Brawl's voice acting for humanoid characters was terrible. Like, really, really bad. It mostly gets ignored due to bulk of the voice work being battle grunts, but if you pay attention you realize how bad it is. Ike for example is fucking terrible. Have you gone nuts? The voice work in KI:U was phenomenal. Ali Hillis, Troy Baker, Cree Summers, Hyden Walch, Nika Futterman... How on earth are these "interns!?!" They far surpass the voice work in XB: Chronicles (though its good in the game too) Sheesh

It gives Stefan a scene in which he laughs like a (jackass) about the irony of the entire situation? I didn't really like this decision as well, because it basically invalidates everything that was previously established by the branded? Why on earth would the Laguz parent (regardless of gender mind you!) lose their powers? Why do laguz have an innate hatred of the branded (see Soren). I was fine with the goddess punishing them because Ashera is an asshole. I guess the writers wanted to give the goddess a shred of good for not hating on branded (she's got a serious god complex and imposes her own will on everyone else because "she can" BUT AT LEAST SHE ISN'T RACIST GUYS) whatevs, Stefan's got his country of branded and now he knows the goddess didn't curse em.

Rofl. He's a low leveled sniper with weak bases(though to be fair, its because he joins at level 1 wtf) and has to compete with Shinon. Competition on the GMs are bad enough, but the team only needs 1 sniper and he's losing to Shinon every time. There's simply no reason to raise Rolf when Shinon IS RIGHT THERE FROM THE START (unless you really like him). His strength growth is outrageous, but you really need to need to feed him kills to let him grow into a strong fighter since his bases suck ass (and besides, Shinon's growths are even better. He doesn't need that overkill strength growth and his ends up capping most of his stats anyway. Snipers need to be fast with high skill, STR isn't that much of a priority tbh). 3/10 -0.5 2.5/10

Oh I know the answer to that, it's quite simple really. Ike walks off in the sunset with Soren and Ranulf in tow while song plays. He does NOT end up in smash because the Ike from smash is an abomination. Edit: Nice sig

Awesome thread concept. 1. Edward 2.Titania 3. Elincia 4. Haar 5. Ike 6. Ranulf 7. Black Knight / Zelgius 8. Nolan 9. Shinon 10. Tibarn 11. Calill 12. Nephenee 13. Kurthnaga 14. Reyson 15. Geoffrey 16. Nailah 17. Sothe 18. Jill 19. Gatrie 20. Sigrun (a.k.a my favorite FE10 unit list in no particular order) Anyway, if I could actually do this, i'd change some growths and bases (Sigrun, Kurth, a few others) and nerf the laguz royals and BK considerably. I tried to go for variety while also considering all of my favorite characters.

Mist is... not very good. She would have been better off as a DB member, but instead she's stuck with the GMs (which I equate to being the "Mon-stars" of Fire emblem). As a healer she's alright but offensively she's terrible, which wouldn't be a problem if Rhys didn't exist since he can actually chip. She's a benchwarmer for most of part III (barring the parts where she's forcibly used) and useless in part IV, and I mean that moreso than usual. There is absolutely 0 reason to use Mist over Elincia in part IV after the teams regroup (and little reason to use her before hand either) 3/10 Edited

Well that explains it. All's well that ends well I suppose. Soren will (likely) end up with a score far lower than Calill's, but when you've got legs like hers it's to be expected. Maybe in the future we can practice a little more levity so we can avoid these type of situations?

That was a good write up, but nothing about was really substantial (because really, if what you're saying is common knowledge, why would Soren be higher in the tier list?). From i've gathered from your post, you're basically stating your opinion/personal exp (which is cool, I never said I had a problem with it) but don't act like what you're saying is a fact. I honestly don't quite understand your line of logic in regards to the crown... Calill isn't beating "anyone" for the crown since you're likely to use it in part 3 when the CRK's join up with the GMs and thus has competition with everyone else. Using it beforehand is just pointless since the GMs literally 1 chapter later. I know for a fact that 4-5 can cleared in a short few times, so her contribution there is meaningless (and remember a fast clear time was the same argument that was used to shut down Kurth.) and her performance in the other "route" chapters aren't that big of a deal. Calill is a unit with little availability and unremarkable stats that only truly sees use with some "special attention." Soren is a unit that is unremarkable for most of the game, but has higher availability, better growths, a better innate ability makes him better imo. Calill's contributions to 2E and from 3-9 to 4-E-5 don't surpass Soren's contributions throughout part 3 (even if they aren't that substantial) Sorry for jumping on your case. Anyway it's my fault for being optimistic about the RTU threads.

PEMN, I can't believe you forgot that. Besides, if Soren isn't going to get trained then Calill sure isn't going to see any use after she joins the GM. Regardless even if Calill WAS better (which she isn't) there shouldn't be this wide of a gap in votes. lol, talk about using the oldest trick in the book in an attempt to discredit me. That said, I mostly made that comment to spark discussion. And because Aran irks me. He irks me so.

Right, i've basically accepted at this point that these are about as relevant as Ganondorf's competitive value in melee. It's a pity, because up until now I thought people were pretty good at being impartial or at least pretending to be impartial. I mean look at this post and then this I don't even need to go over why I find this post to be unacceptable. The heavy emphasis on "routes" (which are 2 chapters), the vague and short entry,and the complete disregard for consistency baffles me. It's not even the first time you've done this cucco (I don't know you, but i've read every RTU thread) and I doubt it will be the last. You're too biased.

...What?!? Calill is getting higher scores than Soren on average? Does anyone else not see how absurdity of the situation? Yes, I realize that the bias score system might explain a discrepancy in scores, but nothing as substantial as what i'm seeing right now. For example: The above doesn't really fly for me at all. Bias is irrelevant, but even by his own admission he considers Soren to be better than Calill in his previous vote. Also There shouldn't be 1.25 discrepancy in scores. Before anyone gets on my case for telling others how to vote, i'm not saying. But when you compare the two characters (there's no debating, Soren IS a better character than Calill) between those 2 characters shouldn't be that high, especially if the bias score isn't used. I'm ok with Folgore's vote since he actually does gives a legitimate reason as to why there's such a large gap in votes. (not that I agree with his assertion since Calill isn't THAT good in the desert and it's only 1 map) --- Not that i'm implying i'm perfect in any way (i've made my fair share of dubious votes) I still think that large discrepancies in votes like the ones I listed shouldn't happen. This isn't a popularity contest. Anyway Soren is pretty good. He comes at pretty good level, has decent growths and he's typically capping most of his stats before promotion (when you account for BEXP). Never overwhelmingly good, just decent for most of the game. Adept is a damn good ability to have, no matter what the character and when he promotes really starts to pull his wait. 6.5/10 + 0.5 bias so 7/10

Thanks. I should have known better than to question this tier list without backup information. Being constantly wrong is simultaneously humbling and depressing at the same time. ... sheesh i gotta play FE10 more. Haha i'd be all for that for obvious reasons. It baffles me why Aran is higher than him, but there's probably a good reason (though i'm gonna do my research before trying argue this)

-Titania -The gold knight with crimson hair -She comes into battle, and in a flash she defeats any opponent who gets in her way -Titania, probably my favorite female character in all of FE (barring Eirika of course) and in my top 5 characters period. She's awesome... just plain awesome. She joins at a high lvl with great bases and has sexy growths. Seriously, I like how IS wasn't sexist with her growths this time, have you SEEN her Atk growth, which is mucho impressive. She's one of your point fighters in hard mode, and never misses a beat. You have her solo entire sections of certain maps because she doesn't have blindpoints. (fair defense and excellent Res for a fighter) She's awesome in hard mode, and overkill in anything else. It's a pity she's nerfed in 2 chapters. She's useful in every point of the game and she only gets better when she promotes. Beautiful in every way, I wish more units were like her. Glad IS didn't go "lol low atk growth high skill and speed growths." Instead they made her good at everything and it WORKS. Perfect 10/10 PS: Haar on a horse doesn't do her justice :P

Does the tier list really take into account clearing 4-E-5 in 1-2 turns? Really that seems like a nifty trick rather than something should be relevant. I don't know, it just doesn't sit right with me tbh... I'll drop if the majority of you feel that a low turn count clear for the light chapter is conducive to a good run. BTW Kurthnaga ends up helping you out tremendously in 4-E-3 (which is arguably the hardest chapter in the game imo. He doesn't even need that much BEXP to get going, just enough to get a few attack procs in order to sufficiently damage the dragons in that chapter.) The way I see it is: -Kurth is forced -Kurth helps you out in 4-E-3 regardless of whether you levelled up him up or not (he can be used as a make-shit roadblock) -Night Tide is acceptable in 4-E-1 and 4-E-2 I feel that he's on a whole other level than the likes of Oliver, Fiona, etc who can NEVER contribute without negatively impacting the team (ie taking up a character slot by using them.) PS: I'm loving this forum's perspective on tier lists, you guys are awesome.

oooooook then, glad that's all cleared up (I hope) That said, my post of 3-4 pages back was missed. Reposting in hopes that someone will answer my question

Disclaimer: Can I append scores? I realized I made a mistake with Calill... thinking it over I definitely overestimated her usefulness and my bias slighted my score. Truth be told I think she deserves a 5.5 (and a 6 with bias). ----- To Ike. I'm going to keep this short and simple. Ike kicks ass plain and simple. As a unit, he's a combination of frontline fighter, tank and ranged attacker which makes him an extremely versatile unit. Leaving Ike by himself to fend off against hords of enemies on his lonesome all the while your teammates gain a better position is hilarious to observe. Those bases and stat growths speak for themselves, so I don't really need to elaborate on that.He's solid in part III and in part IV he's an unstoppable killing machine, and the only thing that keeps from terrorizing the game is his awful RES stat. Ike gets a 9.0 + 0.5 bias so 9.5/10 PS: What do you mean by PRF weapon? I new it usually refers to character exclusive weapon but what does PRF even mean? PPS: Brawl does a terrible job at representing Ike. The game makes him look like a blithering idiot.

Ordinarily, i'd say the same thing but. 1.It's Eirika, arguably my favorite character in the entire franchise. How would you feel if your favorite character couldn't use their weapon of choice? Like let's say they make Ike a DLC character, and give him a Lance / Tome / Staff? It's really just depressing. 2. It's Eirika (again) I can live with the fact by making her into a myrmidon she'll have a generic spri- design(?) because I really like her character. Also supposedly her skills aren't half bad, so I can live with that.

So Ike is suddenly not top tier because of he's "not as good as Haar?" Sorry it's kind of a tough pill to swallow to be honest. I wouldn't even say he's like Haar since Ike is actually fast enough to double the majority of the enemies in this game, and Haar is rarely doubling enemies, even with speed wing and BEXP abuse. I'm not trying to downplay him though, he really is THAT GOOD. But not being as a good as Haar really isn't that bad when you really think about it. I'll admit Ike gets Ragnell a little into Part III, but I don't think his performance before that period of time is enough to dock him. Once he gets it though, all bets are off and he's one of your best units of choice from that point until the end of the game, which should factor in imo. EDIT: What she said :?