MancerNecro

Just woke up and likely to be busy again today but I'll go with a ##Vote: Archer of Gold before I start my activities.

I've only just realized night 1 ended. I've been busy throughout the whole of today and it's now 1am at my side so I can't really do much right now. I'm just going to post a short summary of my thoughts from day 1 written yesterday while it was still night 1. I'll go into more detail regarding everything else in day 2 in the morning, sorry... Gaius is likely to be scum. Apart from the points I raised about him in the day time, I have a slight gut read on this as well. Something feels wrong somehow. I think Diego's whole "informative roles can always scan Izhuark" was because of his role but of course that isn't important at all right now. Bal and Refa are most likely town. Izhuark is null for me. Dreamer reads as new or confused town as well. I'm not really sure about Proto. Gut is pinging me that he's scum but my head can't find any logical reasons for it. YOLOSWAG isn't being helpful at all with his almost single-minded read on me and if he continues that, I'd want him lynched as well. I hope that players also do realize that I was telling the truth about my being busy. Nothing much more to say right now. I'll get into more details regarding my thoughts tomorrow. Gaius > Proto >>> YOLOSWAG are the players I want lynched. ##Vote: Lord Gaius Good night guys!

Ignore the first post please, SF lag caused my post to be sent twice...

@Refa: I felt like Proto already knew or, at the very least, strongly believed that Diego was scum. The former would mean that they were on the same scum team (which coupled by how he whiteknighted Diego and Izhuark earlier on, made sense to me at that time) while the latter would mean that Diego should be his main scum read and push today. Thinking through it, my case on Proto could go either way and I actually have a null read on him now. More reasons for my read can be found in the paragraph below where I'll be referring to him. @Proto: I admit that I was misinterpreting your post slightly. I made the wrong assumption that you had immediately assumed that Diego was scum. Given that your vote is currently on Diego, I'm more inclined to believe that you are not scum. Refa makes a good rephrase and addition to my case on Gaius. I did not find him scummy just simply for not elaborating his case, I found him scummy for leaving his read ambiguous and leaving himself in a position that is definitely favorable for scum. Refa makes a nice addition to the case when he mentioned that Gaius had whiteknighted and defended me as well. Also, I want to know if you think that there are possible scum intent behind my "insistence on interpreting simple comments as having deep scummy implications" versus it being suboptimal play. ##Unvote: Formina Sage ##Vote: Lord Gaius With that, I will fall back on my earlier read on Gaius. With respect to his later content, I dislike the way that he calls my vote on Proto bullshit. Something in that seems off to me. Also, I don't understand what he's trying to say when he says "Using your vote is an effective way to try and start new discussion so you can't say there isn't logic behind Proto's push on you." I don't see the connection between the first part of the sentence and the second and I think he should explain it. @Gaius: What are your thoughts on Proto? You seem to believe that he is scum hunting (regardless of whatever reads other players might have on him) but you have never mentioned whether you feel that he's doing a good or bad job of scum hunting or whether you find him townie or scummy for it. It feels like when he mentioned that players should not pick on my case (where he also did not mention whether he thought was townie and scummy). The position you are left in by that post feels way too convenient and I believe that there's scum motivation behind your posts. YOLOSWAG needs to give out his reads on like the majority of the game and the rest of the players. He seems to be voting me based on how concerned I was with myself. I dislike the way he approached the decision to want to lynch me either. He placed a on me without any comments early on in the game only to elaborate on his points much later on. Can't say that I have much of a read on many other players. Most players are pretty unmemorable in this game. PEdit (got cut by Bal's post): I don't think we should do much consolidation until later on in the phase because we still have close to 24 hours left. I wouldn't mind consolidating on Diego because I find the contradiction between his convictions and actions (I really feel that he should not have unvoted Izhuark as he had pretty strong scum reads on Izhuark) as well as the fact that he has not made any attempts to try to read other players at all (yeah, I do realize that he has actually not posted at all for pretty long). @Bal: I was busy with work in the afternoon yesterday. Even today, I am typing out this post on my phone while handling my work. I post more in the morning and nights (GMT +8 timezone) due to my work but I was busy with overtime last night and hence did not post.

@Refa: I felt like Proto already knew or, at the very least, strongly believed that Diego was scum. The former would mean that they were on the same scum team (which coupled by how he whiteknighted Diego and Izhuark earlier on, made sense to me at that time) while the latter would mean that Diego should be his main scum read and push today. Thinking through it, my case on Proto could go either way and I actually have a null read on him now. More reasons for my read can be found in the paragraph below where I'll be referring to him. @Proto: I admit that I was misinterpreting your post slightly. I made the wrong assumption that you had immediately assumed that Diego was scum. Given that your vote is currently on Diego, I'm more inclined to believe that you are not scum. Refa makes a good rephrase and addition to my case on Gaius. I did not find him scummy just simply for not elaborating his case, I found him scummy for leaving his read ambiguous and leaving himself in a position that is definitely favorable for scum. Refa makes a nice addition to the case when he mentioned that Gaius had whiteknighted and defended me as well. Also, I want to know if you think that there are possible scum intent behind my "insistence on interpreting simple comments as having deep scummy implications" versus it being suboptimal play. ##Unvote: Formina Sage ##Vote: Lord Gaius With that, I will fall back on my earlier read on Gaius. With respect to his later content, I dislike the way that he calls my vote on Proto bullshit. Something in that seems off to me. Also, I don't understand what he's trying to say when he says "Using your vote is an effective way to try and start new discussion so you can't say there isn't logic behind Proto's push on you." I don't see the connection between the first part of the sentence and the second and I think he should explain it. @Gaius: What are your thoughts on Proto? You seem to believe that he is scum hunting (regardless of whatever reads other players might have on him) but you have never mentioned whether you feel that he's doing a good or bad job of scum hunting or whether you find him townie or scummy for it. It feels like when he mentioned that players should not pick on my case (where he also did not mention whether he thought was townie and scummy). The position you are left in by that post feels way too convenient and I believe that there's scum motivation behind your posts. YOLOSWAG needs to give out his reads on like the majority of the game and the rest of the players. He seems to be voting me based on how concerned I was with myself. I dislike the way he approached the decision to want to lynch me either. He placed a on me without any comments early on in the game only to elaborate on his points much later on. Can't say that I have much of a read on many other players. Most players are pretty I memorable in this game. PEdit (got cut by Bal's post): I don't think we should do much consolidation until later on in the phase because we still have close to 24 hours left. I wouldn't mind consolidating on Diego because I find the contradiction between his convictions and actions (I really feel that he should not have unvoted Izhuark as he had pretty strong scum reads on Izhuark) as well as the fact that he has not made any attempts to try to read other players at all (yeah, I do realize that he has actually not posted at all for pretty long). @Bal: I was busy with work in the afternoon yesterday. Even today, I am typing out this post on my phone while handling my work. I post more in the morning and nights (GMT +8 timezone) due to my work but I was busy with overtime last night and hence did not post.

My reads are as such currently (in order from most scummy to most townie), for clarity's sake: Proto > Gaius >>>>> Diego > Everyone else >>>>> Izhuark > Bal > MancerNecro (obviously) Sorry that I'm posting this as a separate post.

@Proto (I assume that Formina Sage is Proto?): If you notice, there's a five hour gap between this post and this post where I was inactive (because I went off to do my work in the office). Between those two posts is where most of the points regarding Diego's RVS stance that I actually had an opinion on was mentioned (the points mentioned were made in the later part of this post, this post and the second paragraph of this post). Before that, I did not actually have much of an opinion on his RVS stance. If I was trying to divert attention away from Diego, I wouldn't mention him in that same post where I unvoted Izhuark and voted Gaius. In fact, I made a mention of Diego after my vote on Gaius! I think that attention would be drawn to that paragraph and Diego instead of the opposite. Also, what part of my Gaius vote seems weird to you? Do you find it forced? Is the case weak? I also do not like the way you are tying Diego and I up with associative reads even before Diego flips. It seems as though you are already assuming that Diego is scum and expecting him to flip as such. ##Unvote: Lord Gaius ##Vote: Formina Sage My read on Gaius still stays but Proto seems to be more likely to be active in the next few hours so I feel that my vote will be doing much more this way. Gaius should still step in to answer the question I asked of him.

@Dreamer: Do you think that Diego is scummy for the mistake he made? I also don't like how you handled not wanting to vote for Diego. The main basis behind our scum hunting should be from day time discussion and not from our night actions. Despite this though, I feel like you are more likely to be a new player than a scummy player because I do not perceive any scum intent from your post. Also, what do you think of the other players in the game?

@Refa: My case on him wasn't for his JoAT claim (which I agree that there isn't any or much possible scum intent behind it). My case is for his being deliberately unhelpful even when asked to clarify himself. I agree though that scum would not want to draw this much attention to themselves so early on in the game so I'm starting to agree with the points raised that Izhuark could just be a sub-optimal town player. @Bal: What do you think of the interaction between Izhuark and Diego in the exchange that you mentioned? You mentioned that they did a good job moving us out of RVS but you never stated your opinions on their exchange. I would agree that optimal town play would be to ask Izhuark to stop posting as he had and I'm not going to give myself any excuses as to the actions I have taken in trying to get Izhuark to clarify himself. That's a legit read and is probably one of the most legit and original reads in this game so far. @Gaius: Do you then think that my case on Izhuark is good or bad? You mentioned that my case shouldn't be picked apart but did not mention whether you thought that my case was good or bad. That phrase feels to me like a subtle act of leaving yourself open to either vote and lynch me or defend me later on in the game (depending on the situation). This really feels to me like a position that scum would like to leave themselves in: A position where they can both push hard on and withdraw away from a player. ##Unvote: Izhuark ##Vote: Lord Gaius @Diego: Should you really be unvoting? While I don't disagree with your reasoning behind not wanting to participate in RVS, I can't exactly agree with your reasons why players who participate in it are scummy. Also, based on how firm your read on Izhuark seems to be, your sudden unvote seems very forced and weird. You also seem to be scum reading and disliking him despite the unvote (which seems to be to appease the players who found your case on Izhuark scummy). Still, you have shown an eagerness to move town out of RVS and I can understand your reasoning behind wanting RVS over and done with quickly.

I don't even know how to react to this anymore...

Being funny and being unhelpful are two different things. You can be funny while not being unhelpful at all. Even if you're trying to be funny (due to your role or preferences or whatever), you can still be generally helpful and clarify your claims. All your posts have been doing so far is bordering on unhelpful and that is extremely scummy to me especially when you try to explain your funniness away in this post. If you really have to explain that you're being funny at all then I'd say that you aren't really funny.

@Refa: Even if it's a joke claim and he likes the Joker a lot, I believe he still could have spent like one minute typing up a clarification regarding his claim. It's scummy that he chooses to leave his apparent claim ambiguous and leave everyone trying to guess what he's implying. Also, in the off chance that his claim is serious, masking it in this joking manner does not help at all. He should clarify his claim and explain why he's claiming in the latter case.

##Unvote: King Gilgamesh ##Vote: Izhuark I don't like the general joking tone and unhelpfulness in his posts. The posts he's making don't really clarify anything and serve only to confuse other players. I also dislike how he chooses to vote Diego for "killing the fun" over answering my questions and clarifying himself in this post that he made.

Cut by SF lag urgh: Izhuark, can you clarify whether your claim was serious or not please?

Yes, it is highly possible that the claim was purely a joke. I want Izhuark to pop by and explain whether it was a serious claim or just a joke claim.

/in yay

Wait, why are you claiming your role so early in the game?

##Vote: King Gilgamesh Gilgamesh is a threat to everything!

This is great news!

Refa is the senpai of a tsundere?

Confirmed as well.

Quick, we need Lyon to summon two phantom players for us. Lol!

Still don't get it, lol O.o

Ehhh, what was SB's PR?

Hmm, that's true...