Ganhur

Unless you can point out the unethical part of my comment or even the post you've linked, I will promise not to push it when I can. What I'm doing is not defending supposedly wrong doing of the fictional character Kamui. I or that post is simply express our opinions since I think your judgments are illogical and have holes to patch up.

I'm not saying what Kamui supposedly had done according to the translation is not wrong. I'm saying if we are to assuming this single act is immoral based on our understanding of reality, why should we not judge the other aspects of the game? Slashing someone with a sword/axe/dagger, throwing fireballs at people (assuming it possible), and turning into some god like creature to terrorizes other people should be judge as well. If a person is going to break down and judge a fiction game or story based on the law of reality, he would find majority of which he analyzes immoral and unhumanistic. What this thread doing is not judging the character as a fictional hero. What it does is judging the fictional character as a Real Human Being who live in the same realm as we (the players) do. While he may be a reflection of the players and an idol to children, he lives according to the rules of his fantasy world. His role in the story is to be analyzed, not to be brought into reality and punished as what the thread is doing.

So is it "offensive" based on reality or a fictional law that drugging is bad? If we are judging the morality of Kamui based on our knowledge of reality, I'm pretty sure that isn't as "offensive" as slashing a human being with a sword or throwing fireball at people you hate.

hm... not a line I dare to cross...

I think the whole censor thing is dumb. It's like "blocking" the Mona Lisa picture and only leave the face left. So all you can do is look at Mona Lisa's face, a small fraction, but not the rest of the master piece. Censorship and disallowing consumers to enjoy the full products is, to me, an "F. U." to both audiences and original developers. It makes consumers pay a full price for a portion of a product, and original developers can only be creditted for only the parts that is not censored. If a parent is concerned about a certain part of the game, don't let them play in the first place.

I'm worried about the NA releashe also. As far as I've seen in this forum, the new features of this game has driven it far from a number of people's ideal cup of tea. While their taste are irrelevant to me, it is relevant to the developers and the company that sells it. I've seen games being censored before they are allowed to be played in NA before and that's what I am worried about. This game may face two option: being censored of certain feature, or not localised at all. Censorship is one thing. However, I am paying to see the translation and true product the original developers intended me to pay for. I don't want to pay for a product that someone has partially censored for "my safety."

Somehow, I feel like you don't just have a problem with her, but women in general.

Cherche and her sexy back Walhart, along with his army so I can destroy again..

Leon is kinda giving me the "I'm better than you" vibe, so me want the side that can kick his ass. Yep, he's the only reason I'm picking Hoshido... Well... white is my favorite color too. Plus the enemy never know if I'm raising a white flag (right?).

My disappointment (not exactly 'anger') is that I find it "disrespectful" toward the those characters which I like. It has nothing to do with archetypes or returning characters like Camus. This is a direct copy or the original character onto the new game. They are "marrying" these characters to another story where they are no longer one of those emotion trigger for players. In short, these characters are demoted to recyclable junks which is why I think it is disrespectful. It's short of like reading a newspaper saying your war hero is expendable and barely have any value. I do not know what role these Awakening children play in FE:if, and I can tolerate some characters being reincarnated. However, I would lose all my respect for the developers that they recycle Lucina into the plot. She is too important for the previous game to be treated that way. If they're going to reuse those children, they may as well let me play Awakening Robin as the main character and Chrom and the children are on the quest to look for their long lost strategist who is now reborned in the wrong place and wrong time. Thus, making this direct sequel of Awakening.

I'm guessing this is the devs' idea of what happened to children after the dark future is prevented or this is simply another way of recycling characters. At least I hope they don't use Lucina. For a key character of a story to be recycled seems somewhat disrespectful to the creation of the character and myself (the fan).

Aqua's appearance on the first trailer left me assume that she is the protagonist of the story and the plot would revolve around her. However, after the second trailer, the appearance of White Hair character raise a few uncertainty. At the moment, I do not see any certainty that says Kamui is not a "Robin" of the story. The cover where there are two Kamuis on both side and Aqua in middle really question the significance of her. Aqua's existence on that cover seems dominant, I don't have the right word for it. I mean either side have their own lord and a version of Kamui. Aqua, whose existence on the cover is rather absolute and divine, as if she is the true lord, the true "Chrom" or "Marth" of the story. Assuming Aqua's is secondary main character, based on the Hero's Journey (if you've watched Ted-Ed video) or Fool's Journey (if you are familiar with Tarot Card or Shin Megami Tensei), I would say Aqua is the Wizard, who guides the hero through his journey. She is the Jiminy cricket that follows the hero and influence him/her to make the best decision as possible. She is the Gandalf that gives Frodo that task the destroy the ring, a goal and purpose for his adventure.

There are people who have not been introduced in the 2 trailers but my guess is: Abel and Cain combo - this pattern should have appeared in majority of FE series (not that I have played all or barely half). This is basically the Red and Green knight who accompany you in the beginning of the game. Knight Captain/Paladin - not the blonde dude in the dark armor. Some one who is veteran, knight, or personal guard of the hero of this game like Frederick or Seth.

They could be sworn siblings like Liu Bei, Guan Yu, and Zhang Fei if you are familiar with Dynasty Warriors or Romance of 3 Kingdoms, or just cousins but treat each other well enough as if same blooded siblings like those mafia and gangster movies. After all, it's a trailer and is not in English, so nothing is conclusive until you get the actual game and find out. But I still find it awkward the fact people see Ephraim and Erika as incest. I mean how poor do you normally treat siblings to the point that one assume such powerful relationship like that as taboo and feel disgusted. Assuming FE: If is about family and show relationships like Ephraim and Erika's, I think people who feel disgusted should already have their answer: don't buy the game.

When it comes to lack of consent and imbalanced power, that is defined as rape. And it is understandable when the a person or sibling coerce another into his/her bidding because of the power play. The whole relationship suddenly becomes a tragic story. But what if two mature siblings who understand the risks agree with each other? There's a case in Germany where a boy was put to adoption at early age. 20 years later he return to find his parents but met his sister and fell in love. They both got married and was cleared by jury and priests. The two are children of the same parents but were raised in different places, so they did not have any family relationship between them so it is easier to pass the culture barrier and develop and romantic relationship. The girl had her parents who were disgusted by the idea. Still, she said 'yes' even though she was fully aware of the man who is her brother and understood the risk of inbreeding. It is incest because both people have the same DNA to prove they are indeed siblings, but they have feelings for each other as a matured man and woman. So it is not rape or has anything to do with lack of consent and power play.

I can think of a few sources for how " [it] is not only a religious taboo, and has serious health and mental effects." But I will comply. I probably exposing my ignorance on this but I highly doubt Egypt and China have any credibility in matter of incest-is-no-no considering how they do "business" in ancient time.

I did not realize LucinaxOwain is considered incest. Anyway, incest actually has more than one definition depends on the culture or ethic that raises you. The common one is blood-related sexual relationship. Some consider sexual relationship between steps or adopted siblings also incest, and some do not. Some consider between cousins incest, some culture do not. Keep in mind you are reading a story or playing a game whose author is raised by ideologies that may not similar to yours. So expect some discomfort and empathize, or at least make some sense out of it on why such factor is put in there. After all, stories are adventures. Get used to it. Don't play/read it if you can't. It's not like you must play FE to get an A in this forum or english class. And seriously, please question yourself why incest is immoral and unacceptable. I thought I saw a thread begging for homosexuality. Isn't homosexuality as much as abnormal as incest? If you consider it is immoral and unethical because it is unhealthy. Do remind yourself about other unhealthy action of people around you that is not considered immoral yet still unhealthy and deadly: alcohol consuming, teenage sex, eating cheeseburgers, smoking. And read the news, human today die from cheeseburgers and pizzas great much more than being murdered or having abnormal sex. Why aren't you feeling icky about those? I am not defending incest, but if there's anything to feel "icky" about, it's people's hypocrisy and prejudice. FYI: Romantic and sexual relationship between cousins is not incest. I assume this is religious' point of view, but not even the Bible say that, so I have no idea where this idea came from. And depend on how far you look back to the family tree, all human are related so we all are cousins and siblings in one way or another. Every relationship out there is pretty much incest.

The story would be too simple and boring if one side is evil. I hope story writers have evolved enough to realized Good vs Evil is quite outdated. What makes stories interesting and challenging to me is the blurry line between the two. A boy stealing is bad, but if the boy steals so he can feed his siblings, that makes it more difficult to judge. In the fight between Good vs Evil, evil always lose and punished. Those who punished evil are heroes. Is that a joke? Or is "hero" another word for "executioner"? The hero basically just kill another evil to mask his own evil. There's nothing good about this hero (AKA: executioner). Yet, he still get a paycheck for it. A kid is asked what you want to be when you grow up. He answers "An executioner. I want to kill people and still be considered a hero and get paid unlike those dump assassins." So back to the question how evil do I want someone in this story to be? I'm going to pay $70 for it so I hope there is no stupid ideas such as Good vs Evil in this game.

Have you ever debate that you are a child of you own family? It can get weird like quite quick. What I meant was, the MU could be given a false belief so that he/she is tied to a bloodline. So as of now, there is no certainty that the current MU's background is correct, where it states MU is blood related to Black. Plus, didn't someone say the writer's forte is Mystery. I would not be surprised if this twist is put in. Well, I doubt it's appropriate on White side either. "wow. now that I'm adopted. Let's bang and call me Onii-chan" Not incest but quite disturbing...

Somehow I knew this topic would pop up... 1. There is yet any evidence that says there is a coupling system in this game. 2. As far as I am reading other people's opinions and speculations, I still have my doubts the MU is full blood related to any characters of the game. He/She could be an illegitimate child or even fully adopted by both families and the "speculated" story can still run without any problem. 3. If you consider Eirika/Ephraim incest, then that is just cultural bias. That "family" relationship is common in Eastern culture. So calling that relationship incest (AKA: abnormal sibling relationship) would be an insult.

Since I'm a fanatic of being cornered and outnumbered, I hope the 3rd path allow to fight against both sides. Plus I hate playing as a traitor, or being viewed as one. Forcing me to choose one side over another just breaks my heart. It's like that Witcher game. "Choose one evil or another." and "Evil or lesser evil, I rather pick none at all" short of stuff.

2~3 decades are not enough to change the belief of the mass. Take racism for example, from the Civil war until Martin Luther King until today, how many American big figures (government, war hero, TV host, television/movie main character) are non white? There're also the study of evolution, some still believe Earth is the center of solar system, concept of war and anti-violence, etc. Unless the game is "about" a homo/bisexual main character, I don't think the rating will be E10+ anymore. Sexuality may not affect Age rating, then what about sexual interaction, say two character of the same sex kissing or flirting in the game?

I want sandbox where enemies will continously spawning and I have to fight to the death, or at least forced retreat. The thrill of being cornered and outnumbered is all I care about.

Homosexuality in gaming, to my experience, have only been used in "mature" rated games. Considering FE is targetting young people (mostly all age I believe), for gay relationships to be implented would take a miracle. Also the cultural factor, although I think it would be nice to have homosexuality in the game, America (parents) is not very sympathetic, shall we say, toward this form of sexuality. If this stigma is being put into the game, we may not have the chance to play it. I believe there is a online game from KR that is being liscenced in America. However, due to the overly exposure of characters' outfit, U.S. staff is trying to censore it in by adding bit more clothes. So in a way, they have to tone it down to a safe level for Americans' audiences before allowing them to play it. In short, if the sexuality within the game affect American culture as I think it does, then there's a good chance we won't get to have an official English version of this game if homosexuality is implanted.

Lockpick... we got hammer, magic, manakete, and we take down Generals. How much defense does a locked chest have? If there's stealing, I'd like to rob a bank or Anna, she've been smiling for too long. From thief to assassin... this job sure knows how to make a killing.