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Tharja's death was for the good of the world.
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Tharja's death was for the good of the world.
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NICE SHINMYOUMARU THEME FRIEND
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Welp, I had a good run with Heroes.....
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Welp, I had a good run with Heroes.....
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Welp, I had a good run with Heroes.....
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Welp, I had a good run with Heroes.....
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Happy Birthday!
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1 full year w/out a name change.
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Rome was gr88.
Roma invicta!
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Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age is now confirmed for English release!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I like your banner. There's a sense of peace, tranquility, and wonder about it.
well, just my weird thoughts, really.
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Oh, Silque, why do you still have 4 Spd at level 14?
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Oh, Silque, why do you still have 4 Spd at level 14?
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Currently grinding in Echoes
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Currently grinding in Echoes
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I dunno if you're still around, but happy birthday!
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I didn't notice this until just now, but in the first poll in the story concept thread you misspelled Birthright... I didn't think it was worth posting again, so here it goes...
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I didn't notice this until just now, but in the first poll in the story concept thread you misspelled Birthright... I didn't think it was worth posting again, so here it goes...
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Will we ever be able to have the Hasha no Tsurugi badges back? I liked them...
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Since you asked me how Roy is responsible for Hector's death and since I don't want to ruin the thread I created, I'm going to give you my own personal answer privately to you.
Story wise, he is my least favorite lord. He never really makes good decisions. He is constantly making questionable decisions, but he is never to blame when anything goes wrong. Despite the fact that he is nearly captured by Bern, despite the fact that Hector may not have died if Roy had made less stops on his way, nobody ever points out that their leader has no idea what he is doing.
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For the third time, I don't care if you don't like Roy because you find him boring or whatever, boring is subjective and I'm not going to argue. I care that your attempted arguments make no sense, and are basically just making things up to make Roy look worse.
QuoteNo..I'm pretty certain that FE7 helped made the plot to FE6 a lot better to many. Infact since many played FE7, they jumped to FE6 since many of the characters appear in both the games and are referenced there as well and Zephiel is one of them.
The Zephiel's backstory thing is a red herring, it's completely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, whatever plotholes FE7 induces on FE6 should be viewed solely as a strike against 7, as the plotholes in question did not exist when FE6 was released. Trying to judge FE6 using 7 induced plotholes is backwards logic because when FE6 released, they weren't an issue at all.
QuoteThat's the thing about Marth because even if he's not as knowledgeable as Roy, he STILL has better character development unlike Roy who hardly has any.
We aren't discussing character development, we're discussing competence/experience in the storyline. This is, again, a red herring.
Quotehe like begs people to join his army or suggests people to join his army since talking to his dad about getting more units would hint his dad that he's a poor lord.
Where are you getting THIS from? Pretty much all the younger characters invited themselves. The only one who joins for another reason is Shanna, who had to do mercenary work because of her culture. Clarine? She basically forces Roy and Merlinus to protect her. Lugh? He basically says "I'm coming" and doesn't take no for an answer. Cath? After Roy talks her out of looting battlefields, she demands she come along to make sure he honors his word. Roy never begs for any of them to join him, they do it of their own will.
Quotehe kept helping people instead of heading there urgently
The people in question were Roy's father, Hector's own daughter, and a defenseless cleric. And since the Bernese troops in Chapter 2 were attacking the Pheraeans on the border anyway, it's not as if they had much choice, AND it was the arranged meeting place for Dieck after Eliwood hired him and his troop.
Quotehaving second thoughts of whether to go here or there, just goes blindly to whatever his father told him to do.
Again, it's not blind. The events of Chapter 2 were caused by two, unavoidable things: Meeting with Dieck, and being attacked on the border by Bern and retaliating in self defense.
Quotewe still don't know whether's he was at the time still alive or dead or even hinted...
Factually incorrect, Eliwood is mentioned to be alive in the ending, and Roy is worried about him. The main reason this doesn't come up in the main story is because, you know, the story was happening.
QuoteHaving thoughts, trying to do something about it before it too late
The whole of Chapter 3 is meant to be a rush to save Hector, even though by the time they got there there was nothing they could do. So yes HE DID TRY TO DO SOMETHING.
Quotetrying to pretend as a disguise or something
What does this even mean.
QuoteRoy's fault that Hector died since all he thought about was bashing the castle to save him instead of thinking tactically on how to save him while escaping or playing it safe.
And how, exactly could he do that quietly? He needed to get a large group of people to Hector in the middle of Castle Araphen as soon as possible. Not only that, but he wasn't taking the castle without any knowledge of what was in there. He did have Chad to tell him what the layout was.
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Since you asked me how Roy is responsible for Hector's death and since I don't want to ruin the thread I created, I'm going to give you my own personal answer privately to you.
Story wise, he is my least favorite lord. He never really makes good decisions. He is constantly making questionable decisions, but he is never to blame when anything goes wrong. Despite the fact that he is nearly captured by Bern, despite the fact that Hector may not have died if Roy had made less stops on his way, nobody ever points out that their leader has no idea what he is doing.
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FE7 plotholes are FE7's fault. They did not exist when FE6 was released. The devs didn't take them into account because THEY ORIGINALLY DIDN'T EXIST. This isn't rocket science.
Where did I say he had no choice but kill Zephiel? I said he had no choice but to lead Pherae's troops. But either way, did Zephiel listen to Guinivere in Chapter 13? No, he didn't. I'm pretty sure his mind was made.
No, there really wasn't a choice. Roy was the only other Pheraen nobility around besides MAYBE Eliwood's mother/Roy's grandmother Eleanora, who didn't even exist when FE6 was made. And even then, why would Eleanora be put in charge? She has no combat or leading experience at all.
If I recall correctly, Marth was actually LESS experienced than Roy at the start. Roy had spent the last several years studying in Ostia, while Marth, after escaping Altea, was a refugee in Talys for the last few years.
The connection between Hector and Eliwood did not exist in FE6. The two never interact. Again, don't take any plotholes caused by 7 into account when talking about 6, because they didn't exist when 6 was released.
Lilina was captured by rebels. I'm not sure why you think that went unexplained. Because it's pretty clear.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW BORING HE IS TO YOU. It's about your woefully inaccurate evaluation of Roy's competence in the plot. Roy doesn't go blindly in. To use one of the examples above, Roy knew going into Chapter 7 Bernese reinforcements would arrive and Lycia would not be able to hold out, so he sends a letter to Cecilia. How is that "going in blindly"?
I'm genuinely questioning if you even played FE6 after all this, due to how often you're claiming things that either aren't true, logically fallacious, or just plain make no sense.
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Since you asked me how Roy is responsible for Hector's death and since I don't want to ruin the thread I created, I'm going to give you my own personal answer privately to you.
Story wise, he is my least favorite lord. He never really makes good decisions. He is constantly making questionable decisions, but he is never to blame when anything goes wrong. Despite the fact that he is nearly captured by Bern, despite the fact that Hector may not have died if Roy had made less stops on his way, nobody ever points out that their leader has no idea what he is doing.
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First off, she was summoned to protect Ostia, not Pherae. And no, she wouldn't have. Etruria couldn't do anything against Bern until they could find a valid reason to declare war. Roy's request woun up being the reason.
Accepting Eliwood's orders is questionable? All Lycian territories are bound to the contract to contribute. Eliwood couldn't take the head, so Roy had to. They literally had no choice here.
I fail to see how the ages of the units is relevant?
Don't take FE7 into account when discussing Roy's character and FE6's writing. Whatever plotholes are opened by FE7 are solely on FE7's account, because it came later, and shouldn't be used as an argument against 6.
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Since you asked me how Roy is responsible for Hector's death and since I don't want to ruin the thread I created, I'm going to give you my own personal answer privately to you.
Story wise, he is my least favorite lord. He never really makes good decisions. He is constantly making questionable decisions, but he is never to blame when anything goes wrong. Despite the fact that he is nearly captured by Bern, despite the fact that Hector may not have died if Roy had made less stops on his way, nobody ever points out that their leader has no idea what he is doing.
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HE DID DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. The letter to Cecilia wasn't some last minute note. It was sent at the start of Chapter 7. The Durandal was obtained to protect it from Bern, and to help supplement their abilities.
As for the Wyrmslayer, no, he does not have it at that point in the game, and I have no idea why you thought he did, as it's obtained in the middle of the Western Isles.
Guinevere was part of why Hector died? Did we even play the same game? Are we talking about the same character? Guinevere wanted to put an end to her brother's crazy war, peacefully, not cause more bloodshed and certainly not cause Hector to die. As for why Roy stopped for that, there were several reasons: 1. they were being attacked, on the Bern-Pherae border no less, 2. meeting up with Dieck, and 3. helping a cleric who was also being attacked.
As for Etruria "using" Ostia/Lycia, it's called being in an alliance. Lycia gets protection, and Etruria gets support and a reason to step in to try and preserve the balance of power.
I don't care if you find him boring, you do you with that. What does bother me is that you're completely misunderstanding the story and character and using said misunderstanding as a reason to hate on Roy.
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Since you asked me how Roy is responsible for Hector's death and since I don't want to ruin the thread I created, I'm going to give you my own personal answer privately to you.
Story wise, he is my least favorite lord. He never really makes good decisions. He is constantly making questionable decisions, but he is never to blame when anything goes wrong. Despite the fact that he is nearly captured by Bern, despite the fact that Hector may not have died if Roy had made less stops on his way, nobody ever points out that their leader has no idea what he is doing.
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When was Roy nearly captured by Bern? Chapter 8(x)? He was the one who contacted Cecilia to make sure that did not happen. Calling Cecilia ahead of time was a very good call on his part, not a "questionable decision."
Less stops on the way to Hector? He got into a few skirmishes that had to be dealt with. There was no way he could avoid the events of Chapter 1 without leaving the ill Eliwood to die and Bern's troops on the Pherae border in Chapter 2 had to be taken care of as well. So I don't know what "stops" you're referring to.
There's no avoiding either chapters' events, and trying to do so would just cause more problems.
Roy's leadership abilities are, consistently, some of the most competent of any lord in the series, not the other way around.
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