Who is amiibo Lucina's mother? (+amiibo Robin's possible IVs)

[indigoasis]

I promise this is an interesting question.

Fire Emblem Fates came out during the amiibo fad Nintendo had going on after the release of Smash 4. As such, Fates was one of the games that had the (mis)fortune of added amiibo functionality, and if you scanned the amiibo released for the Fire Emblem characters featured in Smash 4, you could recruit Marth, Ike, Robin, and Lucina into your army in Fates as actual units. Marth and Ike are just kinda there, but Robin and Lucina actually provide an interesting case to look into, especially Lucina. And so I ask... who is the mother of amiibo Lucina?

The way I usually go about this kind of thing is to calculate growth rates and go from there, but with Awakening, there are modifiers, skills, and reclass inheritance to consider, too. Thankfully for me, amiibo are preconfigured plastic collectibles, so reclassing and skill inheritance aren't a worry this time around, so growths and mods are what we'll be using.

Also, just to get the obvious out of the way, amiibo Robin is either +Mag/-HP based on his modifiers, or +Res/-Spd based on his growths. For comparison:

Spoiler

Awakening Growths (+Res/-Spd)

HP: 40% Str: 40% Mag: 40% Skl: 30% Spd: 30% Lck: 50% Def: 30% Res: 35%

Fates Growths

HP: 35% Str: 30% Mag: 40% Skl: 45% Spd: 30% Lck: 25% Def: 20% Res: 40%

Awakening Mods (+Mag/-HP)

Str: 0 Mag: +2 Skl: 0 Spd: 0 Lck: -1 Def: -1 Res: +1

Fates Mods

Str: -1 Mag: +3 Skl: 0 Spd: +2 Lck: -1 Def: -1 Res: +1

If anything, based on his gameplay in Smash, he'd probably be +Mag/-Spd.

~ ~ ~

Moving on to Lucina, she's a little easier to figure out since the math for her is more set in stone, which is to say I haven't included Robin as a potential mother for the sake of my own sanity.

I've taken some liberties in trying to ascertain the answers I seek; I've subtracted the +1 Modifier Bonus every Awakening child unit gets to balance out the numbers a little bit, and I've also subtracted any class growths that would be included in the totals. I've also miraculously discovered spreadsheets, so it's all in a nice, convenient format for your perusal. I've color coded the entries based on how they match to amiibo Lucina's base growths and mods.

Spoiler

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18tjgtCfIh4luoYBkRL0P1ccKyPOPi_VgRoQvDv6NPsc/edit?usp=sharing

Based on the data and my own "humble" and "objectively correct" opinion, the closest answer to who amiibo Lucina's mother would be is Olivia, confirming Chrom's true pairing as it was always meant to be.

...but deep in our hearts, we know who the true answer was all along...

Spoiler

Anyways, I hoped you enjoyed my incoherent rambling once more. Thank you.

~ ~ ~

Just some post-post thoughts... speaking of the maiden, I noticed in a couple places that Maiden!Lucina's growths are just a bunch of question marks? So have her growth rates seriously never been figured out after all this time? Or is the information outdated everywhere and no one's updated it? I mean... I'd assume since the maiden really has no bearing on Lucina as a unit (Lucina get's Chrom's mods with +1 to each stat, the typical bonus), she wouldn't factor into the growth formula; it'd just be (Chrom's Growths + Lucina's Base Growths)/2 + Class Growths just for that specific situation. I know I've got to be wrong on this, but I would love to figure it out.

[Jotari]

As a Fire Emblem Spreadsheet data addict I appreciate the work! But your link to (presumably) Maiden's mug is broken. I can't tell if that's ironic, tragic or both. Also I'm pretty sure she does give literally zero growths and zero skills so she makes Lucina just objectively worse, aside from the funny trivia that she gives Lucina the highest non-Robin defense cap since all other mothers have a minus modifier to defense (which is surprising for Sully imo). You've also contractually obligated yourself to now researching who Emblem Lucina's mother is.

How does reclassing work for the Amiibo units? Because everyone, even the generic capturable enemies I think, have at least one reclass except Candace for model reasons (but even she can go dark flier etc though the results are funky). Though maybe the capturable enemies can only reclass into their alternative promotion.

[indigoasis]

3 hours ago, Jotari said:

But your link to (presumably) Maiden's mug is broken. I can't tell if that's ironic, tragic or both.

It is indeed the Maiden. I may just leave it like that if you can't see it, lol.

3 hours ago, Jotari said:

You've also contractually obligated yourself to now researching who Emblem Lucina's mother is.

Oh no.

I think I would actually like to do that, thanks for the idea! It might not be a bad idea to see what other useless trivia I can look into for Emblems.

3 hours ago, Jotari said:

How does reclassing work for the Amiibo units? Because everyone, even the generic capturable enemies I think, have at least one reclass except Candace for model reasons (but even she can go dark flier etc though the results are funky). Though maybe the capturable enemies can only reclass into their alternative promotion.

Amiibo units can't reclass at all, funnily enough. I think I mentioned that, but the wording was probably a little funny. So Marth, for instance, can only be in the Lodestar class.

[MeteorPhoenix]

I knew Chrom x Olivia was canon.

[RyanHarmon]

On 3/4/2024 at 10:34 AM, indigoasis said:

I promise this is an interesting question.

Fire Emblem Fates came out during the amiibo fad Nintendo had going on after the release of Smash 4. As such, Fates was one of the games that had the (mis)fortune of added amiibo functionality, and if you scanned the amiibo released for the Fire Emblem characters featured in Smash 4, you could recruit Marth, Ike, Robin, and Lucina into your army in Fates as actual units. Marth and Ike are just kinda there, but Robin and Lucina actually provide an interesting case to look into, especially Lucina. And so I ask... who is the mother of amiibo Lucina?

The way I usually go about this kind of thing is to calculate growth rates and go from there, but with Awakening, there are modifiers, skills, and reclass inheritance to consider, too. Thankfully for me, amiibo are preconfigured plastic collectibles, so reclassing and skill inheritance aren't a worry this time around, so growths and mods are what we'll be using.

Also, just to get the obvious out of the way, amiibo Robin is either +Mag/-HP based on his modifiers, or +Res/-Spd based on his growths. For comparison:

  Reveal hidden contents

Wow, I didn't know that before. I also want to know who is amiibo Lucina's mother. Thanks for sharing this information with us. I appreciate you. I also would like to help you by sharing the https://casinosanalyzer.com/online-casinos/cashlib website link with you where you will find online real-money gaming sites. If you are facing financial problems and want to get rid of them, then you can visit the given website where you will find a lot of sites through which you can easily make money.

If anything, based on his gameplay in Smash, he'd probably be +Mag/-Spd.

~ ~ ~

Moving on to Lucina, she's a little easier to figure out since the math for her is more set in stone, which is to say I haven't included Robin as a potential mother for the sake of my own sanity.

I've taken some liberties in trying to ascertain the answers I seek; I've subtracted the +1 Modifier Bonus every Awakening child unit gets to balance out the numbers a little bit, and I've also subtracted any class growths that would be included in the totals. I've also miraculously discovered spreadsheets, so it's all in a nice, convenient format for your perusal. I've color coded the entries based on how they match to amiibo Lucina's base growths and mods.

  Reveal hidden contents

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18tjgtCfIh4luoYBkRL0P1ccKyPOPi_VgRoQvDv6NPsc/edit?usp=sharing

Based on the data and my own "humble" and "objectively correct" opinion, the closest answer to who amiibo Lucina's mother would be is Olivia, confirming Chrom's true pairing as it was always meant to be.

...but deep in our hearts, we know who the true answer was all along...

  Reveal hidden contents

Anyways, I hoped you enjoyed my incoherent rambling once more. Thank you.

~ ~ ~

Just some post-post thoughts... speaking of the maiden, I noticed in a couple places that Maiden!Lucina's growths are just a bunch of question marks? So have her growth rates seriously never been figured out after all this time? Or is the information outdated everywhere and no one's updated it? I mean... I'd assume since the maiden really has no bearing on Lucina as a unit (Lucina get's Chrom's mods with +1 to each stat, the typical bonus), she wouldn't factor into the growth formula; it'd just be (Chrom's Growths + Lucina's Base Growths)/2 + Class Growths just for that specific situation. I know I've got to be wrong on this, but I would love to figure it out.

Thanks for sharing, I appreciate you.

Edit: I read it thoroughly and it is worth reading all.

Edited March 21 by RyanHarmon