Saint Rubenio Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) Hello! It's me, Saint Rubenio. You might remember me as the guy that made the FE6 Bad Guys hack, Eckesachs. Despite FE6 being a headache and a half to hack, I had a lot of fun with that little project, and quickly began to feel the craving for more bad guys. Thus, I turned to Sacred Stones, the game with my favorite roster of villains in the series. FE8 being a much better game to hack than FE6, I also set out to make a bigger overhaul than Eckesachs, tweaking all aspects of gameplay to try and bring about a more intense experience than vanilla FE8 had to offer. Ever wondered what would've happened if Lyon had been more proactive in his quest to destroy the Sacred Stones and didn't just leave everything to his father and the generals? Wonder no further. Features: Every playable character in the hack is a boss. Hurray. ...Well, sorta. To avoid having a tiny cast of like 24 playables, NPCs and monsters have been thrown into the mix, as well as background characters brought to life. In total, the roster comes up to 47 playable characters. Naturally, with the bad guys on your side, it's to be expected that you should now **face all your favorite playables from FE8**. Unlike last time, not a single one of them will escape unscathed. You'll meet all of them on the battlefield, as well as a few NPCs where they fit. 32 chapters of heavily overhauled Sacred Stones gameplay. Weapon stats, mechanics, fog (it's gone), enemy formations and stats, merged routes, recontextualized maps... Pretty much every aspect of the game is touched up. I'd say it's about as heavy as an overhaul can be! Fully rewritten story. Follow Lyon as he leads his father's legions in the conquest of Magvel, and watch as his heart grows colder and the darkness inside it stronger. Expect twists, turns, tragedy and occasional bits of comedy. For the secondary roster, instead of your classic support conversations, sprinkled throughout the game are special conversations that characters can get. These can grant support levels, stat gains, items, nothing at all and more! Keep an eye out for them. If you feel like you still want more after the campaign, Lagdou Ruins and the Creature Campaign mode have been repurposed into a fully-fledged postgame dungeon. Ever played the Valkyrie Profile series? This is basically the Seraphic Gate - a silly place full of meta humor and memes where anything goes. I didn't make any lords go insane/angsty/edgy this time around. I promise. Also Roy is in this hack! DOWNLOAD https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2sru6e9a7ij3izg4cx2xw/Dark-Stone.zip?rlkey=5kw0uwqqaiofkobw3j0shwh53&st=ba8t1e3f&dl=0 Apply patch to a vanilla US FE8 ROM. The contents of the ZIP file are as follows: Two patches. The standard one has all UI colors swapped from blue to red and viceversa for flavor (you are playing as the bad guys, after all). However, I know a lot of people hate when hacks do that, as it can be difficult to get rid of the “blue good, red bad” muscle memory from regular FE. Therefore, for those of you who prefer convenience over flavor, I’ve also included an alternate version of the patch that maintains vanilla’s overworld sprite palettes and battle forecast colors. The guide. An excel file containing all unit information, recruitments and a list of all special conversations in the game. Also, for curiosity's sake, there's a section with all the origins of the background characters turned playable. Just to prove that they're not complete OCs - just mostly. Readme. Basically just this section and the three sections below, but in a text file. Known issues and things to note: If you promote too many units to distinct classes, the prepscreen will start to glitch out at the bottom. I'm not sure exactly how many different classes you can have before the glitch appears, but it's possible to finish the main campaign without encountering it. Either way, it's a merely visual issue, so I would recommend not letting it worry you too much. Fog of war has been removed from the hack. However, I do not know how to remove the random chance of fog from skirmishes, so you might still encounter fog in those. If anyone knows how I could go about removing it there as well, I'm all ears. This has been fixed, thanks to Jotari for helping out with that! The main campaign has been exhaustively playtested and the postgame has also gotten a decent amount of testing. Skirmishes have been looked at by one tester, and I'm pretty sure the Tower of Valni is mostly uncharted territory. That being said, there's always stuff that slips through the cracks, so please keep an eye out for any possible problems (especially if you try going through the Tower) and do not hesitate to give me a shout if you encounter anything that seems out of the ordinary! Special thanks: Dr Shaky Jones, whose keen mind for numbers and map design was a huge help in fine-tuning many aspects of the hack. Pengaius, for doing two playest runs for the price of one, plus a run of the postgame. And for pushing me to buff Zabba. She deserves it. Jotari, for playtesting and for giving me a number of cool ideas for the hack, chief among them the playable pupil. ReedRacer, for playtesting of both the campaign and the postgame and proofreading. Tsunny, Tru, Res and Mibbles for additional playtesting and suggestions. Parrhesia, Retina, Contro and SubwayBossEmmett for helping me with a number of hacking-related issues I had. 7743 for creating FEBuilder and making it that much simpler to make things like this. The talented artists and computer wizards in the community, as credited below, for all the free stuff I used in this hack. Credits: Spoiler In spoilers because it's very long Patches Anti huffman by Hextator Remove pierce by Brendor Remove Easy Mode by Nintenlord Move display fix by circles Character/Class level cap editor by 7743 Unique battle music per unit by 7743 Fix weak promoted enemies by Gryz Battle Stats with Anims Off ver2 by Vesly Enable Faster Movement By Holding A by Gryz Fix CAM1/CAMERA2 going out of bounds by Stan Actions after talk (contemporary style) by 7743 Actions after support (contemporary style) by 7743 HP bars with warnings by Circles and Tequila Growth display by Tequila Danger zone display by Circles Show heal amount by Circles Steal with full inventory by Vesley Add event: Split Menu by Stan, Circleseverywhere Additional AI: Talk AI by aera Allow 3 or more trainee to be regist by 7743 ModularMinimugBox by Zane (Runabox, slightly modified) Weapon lock ex by 7743 Skip World Map Fix (For World Map Users) by Stan Autocursor Fix by Venno Modify S rank limits by Tequila Switch:Animation on / off with L button by aera Boss animation ON by aera, ported by 7743 When Boss animation ON, start animation with background by 7743 Unlock OP class reel fully by Kirito Move the gray palette for preparation from the menu palette by 7743 Switch Portrait images by class, chapter, flag by 7743 C1 command by Hextator SOUND_NIMAP2 by Alusq drumfix by Circles 16 tracks/12 sounds by Agro/Bendor Set whether transporter can be used for each map by 7743 Add Event: Send unit's all items to transporter by 7743 Convert Chapter Titles to Text_ver2.1 by Circles, 7743 Fixes the world map chapter ID being loaded instead of the actual chapter ID by ??? AddEvent: Set and Get Unit Status by 7743 Character Custom Animation by EA ver 2 by 7743 Monster Weapon display fix by Brendor Add Event: GetSupportLevel, SetSupportLevel, ClearSupportLevel by 7743 Saving in the Tower and Ruins by Circleseverywhere Great Shield First and Last Class by Chap@FE8_GIRLS Great Shield Activation Rate by aera Pierce First and Last Class by Chap@FE8_GIRLS Change Skill Pierce activation rate from LV to Skill by aera Convert Chapter Titles to Text_ver 2.1 Support Lat1 by Circles Allows detailed setting of weapons held by summoned units by 7743 Allow to summon multiple classes by 7743 Fix the weapon level of the Summoned Phantom's weapon level of the possessed weapon by 7743 Lose Weapon Ranks on Promotion by Venno Sure Strike Skill First and Last Class by Chap@FE8_GIRLS Doubling the activation rate of Skill Sure Strike by Aera Fixed sound of Aircalibur from Aera's data NosResire by SME Prevent uncounterable items from becoming forced range animations by Venno Continue Battle BGM Between Map and Combat by 7743 Multiple vulnerary by 7743 Tequila/Lord Reyson by Tequila/Lord Reyson Add Event: Change Edition by 7743 Define multiple classes that can discover desert treasures by 7743 Floor terrain of branch Prmotion by 7743 Floor terrain of forced Prmotion by 7743 Weapon LV up when destroyed by FEGirls Chap Adjust Mode Coefficient Experience Gain by Venno Toggle New Game Text by Circles Change support conversation to 5 people instead of 5 times by aera Remove Support Viewer by aera Remove prep support room theme by GigaExcalibur Change duration of bad status effect by Sme Ignore changing music with flag 0x82 (fight with the Deamon King) by Venno Preparation Screen: Do not special for final chapter by 7743 Skip:Game Opening Demo by Fati Define multiple classes that prohibit additional effects such as poisons bad status by 7743 Silencer-Immune Class by aera These class force the staff to hit 0% and deactivate it by 7743 Change "Config" to "Status" in the Prepare submenu by 7743 Set Preparation BGM By Chapter https://github.com/ngmansion/FE8/tree/master/RePreparation Port by 7743. Prevent exchange of valuables ListVersion by Vesly, Orignal:Circle https://feuniverse.us/t/fe7-fe8-trading/632 trade_fix, Pawkkie Fix GiveAll https://discord.com/channels/144670830150811649/235253973588639747/881615476923441192 Add Event: Autolevel Player Unit by Shuusuke and Vesly Switch the death Quote for each unit who is killer by 7743 Move the battle prediction palette from the menu palette by 7743 Add Event: Give the unit experience points by 7743, Vesly, aera Custom HandAxs by 7743 based on Huichelaar's Custom Thrown Weapon Animations Add Event: Set Unit State Conditions (UNCM) by Tequila Steal at any speed by Contro Fixed glitch that prevented cavalry's CANTO move again after open menu by 7743 Range-Animated Weapons List by Circles DSFE STYLE AVOID Do NOT double the speed for avoid rate calculation by GratedShtick Berserk Unit Battle Animation by laqieer Fixed sound of the Dragon Stone from aera's data ExModularSave with Supply 200 by Stan, Gamma Supply Expansion, Vesley Sound Room 100% Unlocked by 7743 Set Preparations Store Pricing by aera Animations F Rogue Ponytail by Temp Sword, axe and handaxe knight by TheBlindArcher Axe and sword knight map sprites by Aggro Chained Sword general by Knabepicer Axe bonewalker by Vilkalizer, Orihara_Saki Handaxe (slim) bonewalker by Vilkalizer, Orihara_Saki Female fighter long haired by Black Mage Female fighter map sprite by Pikmin Female journeyman by Gavvv333 Female warrior long haired by Temp, repalette and long-haired edit by Pushwall Female warrior map sprite by FEGirls Male falcoknight by Camus_Regan, repalette by Jeorge_Reds F merc by TheBlindArcher F merc map sprites by Aggro Demon King playable animations by SHYUTERz Strong guy by TytheBub Boxer map sprites by ShadowAllyX Marshall by Nuramon Bow wyvern knight by ltranc Axe wyvern knight by St Jack Vanilla FE7 female mage fix by Shin19 (long-haired edit by me) Vanilla pupil fix by Blazer (female edit by me) Pirate repal by Wan Female Cyclops by Alexsplode Music Shadow Dragon - Clash of Two Virtues by Sme Mystery of the Emblem - Reign of Despair by Alusq Shadow Dragon - Footsteps of Fate by UnitedStars111 Three Houses -Indomitable Will by Azula FFT - Anxiety by Alusq Castlevania OoE - Stones Hold a Grudge by Psyche Castlevania OoE - Sorrow's Distortion by Dolkar Castlevania OoE - Welcome to Legend by Psyche Castlevania PoR - Dance of Sadness midi by Pakillo https://www.vgmusic.com/file/741a210372ca539db9fca58c86624d17.html, adapted to GBAFE by me Elfen Lied - Lilium midi found here https://bitmidi.com/elfen-lied-lilium-mid, adapted to GBAFE by me M&L PiT Serious Trouble! by Norikins Valkyrie Profile - The Unfinished Battle with God Syndrome by SaXor the Nobody Valkyrie Profile - Hurried Decay of Life Force by Psyche FE14 - Glory/Ruin by Mycahel and Deed Bomberman Hero - Redial by Sme Corpse Party - BGM 10 by 7743 Castlevania OoE - An Empty Tome by Psyche Heroic Struggle LaL - TrikkiNikki Portraits Mauthe Doog portrait (modified Princess Wolfy) by CanDy Skeleton by L95, Alexsplode Spider by An odd Dutch Introvert Cyclops by L95, Alexsplode (female edit by me) Mogall by L95 Lagdou Ruins Boss 8 by HusbandoEmblem All other assets unlisted above, including portraits, all custom item icons, edited backgrounds and the following animations: female revenant and pupil, FE6-style FE7 bishop, Lilina-style FE7 mage, mage dancer and mage bard, were made by me. Tier list maker (contains spoilers for the entire playable cast) https://tiermaker.com/create/fire-emblem-dark-stone-fe8-but-with-the-bad-guys-16617653 Edited August 28 by Saint Rubenio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Every playable character in the hack is a boss. Hurray Hmmm. I challenge the accuracy of the statement. I don't think we ever have a boss Bone Walker or Mauthe Doog....in addition to the more obvious OC and send OC characters featured in the game. 2 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Well, sorta. To avoid having a tiny cast of like 24 playables, NPCs and monsters have been thrown into the mix, as well as background characters brought to life. In total, the roster comes up to 47 playable characters Well, that's what I get for being too excited to post. Edited July 1 by Jotari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 Version 1.1 released! Fixed the chapter 4 village not closing after being visited, allowing the reward to be obtained multiple times. Removed fog from skirmishes. 9 hours ago, Jotari said: Hmmm. I challenge the accuracy of the statement. I don't think we ever have a boss Bone Walker or Mauthe Doog....in addition to the more obvious OC and send OC characters featured in the game. Well, that's what I get for being too excited to post. Accuracy successfully challenged! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengaius Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Wahoo the hack comes out at last. 15 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Pengaius, for doing two playest runs for the price of one, plus a run of the postgame. And for pushing me to buff Zabba. She deserves it. Use Zabba. Zabba is the goat. Also buff Zabba again she deserves it. 4 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Removed fog from skirmishes. My joy of seeing this is only rivaled by my anger that I'm basically the only person for whom fogged up skirmishes ever have and ever will apply. Anyhow everyone have fun with this one. I would but if i see FE8 again i'm going to scream. Happy hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 53 minutes ago, Pengaius said: My joy of seeing this is only rivaled by my anger that I'm basically the only person for whom fogged up skirmishes ever have and ever will apply. I fought a foggy skirmish while play testing. Sacrificed a full legion of Phantoms to the fog to draw in enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pengaius said: Also buff Zabba again she deserves it. Version 1.2 released! Zabba is now the first unit to ever get 10 zabbillion defense. 1 hour ago, Pengaius said: My joy of seeing this is only rivaled by my anger that I'm basically the only person for whom fogged up skirmishes ever have and ever will apply. You walked in the fog so everyone else could run in the, not-fog. My regards. 17 minutes ago, Jotari said: I fought a foggy skirmish while play testing. Sacrificed a full legion of Phantoms to the fog to draw in enemies. Wish I'd known it was that easy. I took a cursory look at the skirmish event, saw all the garbled nonsense and thought "well better not touch that." Edited July 1 by Saint Rubenio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ping Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 17 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Dr Shaky Jones, whose keen mind for numbers and map design was a huge help in fine-tuning many aspects of the hack. I assume you didn't make him go through another map with infinite hordes of reinforcements, considering there have been no news of Spain being nuked. And I did not expect myself to have a backlog of Fire Emblem Hacks In Which You Play The Bad Guys, but here we are. Still, I must first ask: Can you pet the Mauthe Doog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 9 minutes ago, ping said: I must first ask: Can you pet the Mauthe Doog? ...Shit, I need to add that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSage861 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Playing a Fire Emblem game from the villain's perspective is always a treat I love seeing, it almost feels like a DLC story. Hopefully more FE modders make more stuff like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 v1.2 released! Fixed chapter 4 not functioning properly like a “defeat boss” map. Fixed phantoms being able to talk to the spy on chapter 11. Fixed a potential freeze in a house on chapter 15. 3 hours ago, DarkSage861 said: Playing a Fire Emblem game from the villain's perspective is always a treat I love seeing, it almost feels like a DLC story. Hopefully more FE modders make more stuff like this. I also made one for FE6 if you want to see more. It's a much smaller and in ways clunkier hack but hey, it exists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 v1.3 released! Fixed phantoms being able to obtain desert treasure. Updated a few in-map vendors throughout the game to sell dark tomes. I updated the worldmap vendors but neglected the ones in the map. Yeah, they’re different. The mauthe doog now gets petted in a cutscene. This is very important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 v1.4 released! Made a few adjustments to chapter 5x to hopefully make it a bit more manageable if you are playing more defensively. Fixed chapter 11 erroneously listing a special conversation between Tirado and Beran instead of Murray and Beran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger016 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Great, another ruben special just as i returned. Now you just have to make one for FE7 to complete the GBA trio.. you dont have to, ik how much you hate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 9 minutes ago, ranger016 said: Great, another ruben special just as i returned. Now you just have to make one for FE7 to complete the GBA trio.. you dont have to, ik how much you hate it If only you knew the amount of requests for it I already got in the other site where I uploaded this. Within the first 24 hours of this hack's release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 v1.5 released! Added the fact that routing the map ends it to the detailed clear conditions of chapter 5. Removed a house from chapter 19. Fixed a boss in chapter 26/26x not having a battle palette. Added a couple of new bosses to the postgame. Nerfed normal mode enemies slightly in the early and midgame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger016 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 23 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: If only you knew the amount of requests for it I already got in the other site where I uploaded this. Within the first 24 hours of this hack's release. Oof, though, cant say thats unexpected.. Just do a TRS boss version as a replacement 4 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Removed a house from chapter 19. Why, what did the house do to you On a serious note, looking through the guide, im glad you didnt forget some of the obscure characters, Spoiler like monica, melina and even mcgregor. Although, i didnt know about many of the other ones like zabba and saaga. Also surprised you didnt include klimt and pablo as route exclusive recruits. But makes sense since he was supported by the protags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 1 hour ago, ranger016 said: Just do a TRS boss version as a replacement Finally, everyone's awaited dream: Four identical garbage bag dark priests. 1 hour ago, ranger016 said: Why, what did the house do to you There's a certain subplot that I was told flows better if that house doesn't exist. Thinking about it I agreed, so the house got the tactical nuke. 1 hour ago, ranger016 said: On a serious note, looking through the guide, im glad you didnt forget some of the obscure characters, Hide contents like monica, melina and even mcgregor. Although, i didnt know about many of the other ones like zabba and saaga. Also surprised you didnt include klimt and pablo as route exclusive recruits. But makes sense since he was supported by the protags. Spoiler Obscure characters were my lifeline. Without them this hack would've had 24 characters and exactly 1 girl. Pablo has a semi-important role in the Carcino chapters. I did toy with the idea of making Klimt recruitable if Pablo dies, but I decided I had enough "good guys forced into helping the bad guys" as it was and enough bishops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 v1.6 released! Fixed a bug in chapter 28 where undeployed units would appear in the unit list. Fixed a boss in chapter 29 sometimes being in the wrong class. Updated the guide to reflect the different promotion options of the two monk variants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 9 hours ago, ranger016 said: Just do a TRS boss version as a replacement That could actually be a lot fun. Tear Ring Saga does have some cool bosses. Has anyone tried to remake it entirely in Sacred Stones yet? 7 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Hide contents Obscure characters were my lifeline. Without them this hack would've had 24 characters and exactly 1 girl. Pablo has a semi-important role in the Carcino chapters. I did toy with the idea of making Klimt recruitable if Pablo dies, but I decided I had enough "good guys forced into helping the bad guys" as it was and enough bishops. At this point you're probably done with the game and just want to fix minor issues, but as someone who actually did lose Pablo, I think getting Klimt instead could work. The way you characterized him he wasn't exactly a good guy, as he basically did the exact same thing Pablo did in vanilla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger016 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 13 hours ago, Jotari said: That could actually be a lot fun. Tear Ring Saga does have some cool bosses. Has anyone tried to remake it entirely in Sacred Stones yet? I dont think there are any, i would love to play if it exists though. 21 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Finally, everyone's awaited dream: Four identical garbage bag dark priests. Honestly, i would use all four. 21 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Spoiler Pablo has a semi-important role in the Carcino chapters. I did toy with the idea of making Klimt recruitable if Pablo dies, but I decided I had enough "good guys forced into helping the bad guys" as it was and enough bishops. Yeah, makes sense After playing till ch8, here are some gameplay related stuff. Spoiler Just a nitpick but, I.. dont think they should be this happy seeing a monster without a proper explanation first. Same with zonta and zabba in the previous chapter. Also, i feel garcia arrives about 1 turn too early in ch6. Especially if you sent your B team after the boss and main team towards south, like me. I had to dodge tank with axereaver saar for 2 turns and rush the boss with rescue dropping caellach. Ch5x is also pretty rough in this regard. Idk if orson retreats but he has high chance of dying before you can save him. Well, i am playing on hard, so it might be bit more reasonable in normal. Idk if its included later, but i was hoping to see valter's cursed lance. As for the units, so far my mvp is surprisingly bazba. He is on of my tankiest unit just behind the natural tanks like knights, aias and djieien. While being one of the strongest and fastest unit as well. Lyon is a pretty cool lord as well, a bit glass cannon but thats fine since he 1 rounds most enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 5 Author Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, ranger016 said: Also, i feel garcia arrives about 1 turn too early in ch6. Especially if you sent your B team after the boss and main team towards south, like me. I had to dodge tank with axereaver saar for 2 turns and rush the boss with rescue dropping caellach. That's not a turn spawn, but rather an area spawn. When one of your units steps in an area near'ish the boss, he retreats, and the next player phase Garcia spawns. Mainly I just wanted to avoid Knoll being fightable, and have a nice little jumpscare with Garcia, but I can see how that could be rather troublesome if you were just holding your ground at the edge of the area. 1 hour ago, ranger016 said: Ch5x is also pretty rough in this regard. Idk if orson retreats but he has high chance of dying before you can save him. Well, i am playing on hard, so it might be bit more reasonable in normal. I've gotten a number of complaints about 5x and... Imma level with you - I thought the chapter was if anything kinda easy and none of my testers said anything about 5x being particularly bad, so I have no idea how to go about "fixing" it. Someone said to cut down on the reinforcements coming from the stairwell after turn 6, and I made a few adjustments in 1.4 based on that. Were you playing on that patch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger016 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 32 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said: That's not a turn spawn, but rather an area spawn. When one of your units steps in an area near'ish the boss, he retreats, and the next player phase Garcia spawns. Mainly I just wanted to avoid Knoll being fightable, and have a nice little jumpscare with Garcia, but I can see how that could be rather troublesome if you were just holding your ground at the edge of the area. Ahh, yeah thats what happened. I wanted to beat the wyvern reinforcements before they reached my low health units, which triggered knoll leaving. 35 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said: I've gotten a number of complaints about 5x and... Imma level with you - I thought the chapter was if anything kinda easy and none of my testers said anything about 5x being particularly bad, so I have no idea how to go about "fixing" it. Someone said to cut down on the reinforcements coming from the stairwell after turn 6, and I made a few adjustments in 1.4 based on that. Were you playing on that patch? Huh.. yeah im playing 1.4, so you are saying i am playing the easier version? Then it might have been a positioning issue on my part or the fact that it was my first run on the map. Main issue i had was actually from the cavaliers and shaman from top. Currently playing ch9, and i would say 5x was still the toughest map i played till now. Easiest was ch8, but that might be because i abused the arena a little to give 1-2 levels to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengaius Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 5 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: I've gotten a number of complaints about 5x and... Imma level with you - I thought the chapter was if anything kinda easy and none of my testers said anything about 5x being particularly bad, It's weirdly validating to hear that a bunch of people are struggling with 5x. I always see myself as someone bad at the game so it's nice to have cleanly beaten something that others are struggling with. Honestly I can see why elitism took off with how good it feels to be """"superior"""" to other players. Make the map harder Ruben. Do it. Also buff Zabba again. She deserbes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted July 5 Author Share Posted July 5 42 minutes ago, Pengaius said: It's weirdly validating to hear that a bunch of people are struggling with 5x. I always see myself as someone bad at the game so it's nice to have cleanly beaten something that others are struggling with. Well, at least there's that. 42 minutes ago, Pengaius said: Honestly I can see why elitism took off with how good it feels to be """"superior"""" to other players. Make the map harder Ruben. Do it. Also buff Zabba again. She deserbes it. This part got a big chuckle out of me. Thanks, Butterman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger016 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 17 hours ago, Pengaius said: It's weirdly validating to hear that a bunch of people are struggling with 5x. I always see myself as someone bad at the game so it's nice to have cleanly beaten something that others are struggling with. Cant say i disagree, it does make you feel good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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