Seph Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I am NOT going to do a debate, and I am NOT going to give numbers like in a debate I'll give you my experiance with her. I'll tell you if you're that interested. Are you? If you're not going to give any of those then it's best you don't give your personal experience. Which is worth nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bros Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 If you're not going to give any of those then it's best you don't give your personal experience.Which is worth nothing. Personal experiance means something. I just posted in the topic, Personal experiance means nothing!, look there for my reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reikken Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 She's far less trash than Sophia or Zealot. >_> Zealot is far from trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relinquished Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) If you're not going to give any of those then it's best you don't give your personal experience.Which is worth nothing. Oh wow. That's great. Yeah, fuck those morons who don't know anything about posting in a forum. Yeah, let's better rely on theory. Let's follow what everyone says in order to exist. Edited February 4, 2009 by Still As Stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seph Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Oh wow. That's great. Yeah, fuck those morons who don't know anything about posting in a forum.Yeah, let's better rely on theory. Let's follow what everyone says in order to exist. Where did you get the idea "don't know anything about posting in a forum"? You're not making any sense. I said it's best not to, I didn't say it was necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 *sigh* Honestly, people don't get that hardcore debating is not really about personal experience. Or hardcore debaters shouldn't assume that everyone else cares about debating. I get the feeling that some people rip other's posts apart to jack up their own ego. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bros Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 I get the feeling that some people rip other's posts apart to jack up their own ego. <_< Thank you. I don't want to debate and some people just don't get that. Every time I say something I have to defend it like in a debate. If you want to debate that much just go to the FE debates section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relinquished Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 *sigh*Honestly, people don't get that hardcore debating is not really about personal experience. Or hardcore debaters shouldn't assume that everyone else cares about debating. I get the feeling that some people rip other's posts apart to jack up their own ego. <_< hardcore debating? oh, you mean basement-dweller fight for unwarranted self-importance? now i get it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seph Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 hardcore debating? oh, you mean basement-dweller fight for unwarranted self-importance? now i get it :) If you have nothing to contribute other than your off-topic insults, then please leave. She's far less trash than Sophia or Zealot. >_> Zealot can go in place of Marcus after Chapter 7. Lilina is trash, but she's not the worst in the game. She can help the exp rank and somewhat help the combat rank if you actually train her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 hardcore debating? oh, you mean basement-dweller fight for unwarranted self-importance? now i get it :)I like to think that I'm a hardcore debater, but I'm nowhere near what you're describing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 *sigh*Honestly, people don't get that hardcore debating is not really about personal experience. Or hardcore debaters shouldn't assume that everyone else cares about debating. I get the feeling that some people rip other's posts apart to jack up their own ego. <_< I definitely agree and have seen it on multiple occasions. I'm ashamed to say that I've probably been the one doing it on occasion. That said, I agree that Lugh is overrated, but Lilina is not underrated. Lugh may be the best in his class, but he's not really such a great unit. Lilina just plain sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relinquished Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I like to think that I'm a hardcore debater, but I'm nowhere near what you're describing. i beg to differ If you have nothing to contribute other than your off-topic insults, then please leave. No thanks. I don't need and don't want to follow someone else's instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 No thanks. I don't need and don't want to follow someone else's instructions. Then take it from me. Cut the off-topic insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) but Lilina is not underrated.So I'm the only one that thinks that the debating fandom underrates her? <_<I'm not even biased towards personal experience. Even if I am, she had below average Magic and Speed when I tried FE6 HM. If there was no EXP rank though, Lilina can burn in hell. (I'm also curious about the 'i beg to differ,' but this is not the place. Drop a PM.) EDIT: I also forgot something. The Tactics rank. It is massive. You need 640 turns. I beat FE6 HM in 536. I could've used 100+ turns to easily grind on an arena.. therefore Lilina is pretty much able to rot in hell. Or she can be using the arena and being decent, but she still has some endgame fail (AS, pretty much) which is the point against her. Edited February 5, 2009 by Nathan Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bros Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Here's stats if you want numbers, this is my Lillina: Lillina level 20/20 NOT arena abused HP:38 Magic:30 Skill:20 Speed:21 Luck:26 Defense:7 Resistance:21 I see this as good exept for Defense. This Lillina went from the starting point of chapter 21, to the throne, and kill Murdoch. Nathan Graves:I agree she's really under rated. Edited February 4, 2009 by luigi bros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) i beg to differ You have a different opinion on what he's like IRL without ever having met him? ... Wow. Luigi bros: He's not saying that she's good. He's saying that she helps the Experience Rank. That's all. Edited February 4, 2009 by Asaello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Bottom line, I feel that old Louie boy is overrated, and at the same time, Lilina's underrated. IMO, she's good. Obviously not one of the best, not one of the worst either. (Her joining time could have been better, though.) Its more down to some personal tastes, but I personally don't find her as bad as a heck of a lot of people make her out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bros Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 Luigi bros: He's not saying that she's good. He's saying that she helps the Experience Rank. That's all. Oops but I agree that she's good for the EXP rank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Ostrich Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 hardcore debating? oh, you mean basement-dweller fight for unwarranted self-importance? now i get it :) Ad Hominem: When one resorts to personal attacks to distract other readers from the fact that their argument has no proverbial legs to stand on. Debating = fun, and Fire Emblem 'theory' = fun. Kinda like the games themselves. Self importance has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 *sigh*1. Honestly, people don't get that hardcore debating is not really about personal experience. 2. Or hardcore debaters shouldn't assume that everyone else cares about debating. 3. I get the feeling that some people rip other's posts apart to jack up their own ego. <_< 1. The main problem is that those who use personal experience for reasoning fail to see why it is best not to use it. PEMN is true, use your Personal Experience and it's likely to end up in a never-ending and pointless (more pointless than the debates that use statistics) argument. They often take it the wrong way too, seeing it as "character sucks = shouldn't be used", which is just a common misconception. 2. The non-debaters should stop going around claiming a character to be good/great when they're not. But yes, some debaters do push it and assume quickly, making others of that kind look Fact: 1 Debater does not represent all. 3. True. Not to mock or insult you, but personally I find that feeling to be common knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) hardcore debating? oh, you mean basement-dweller fight for unwarranted self-importance? now i get it :) Where does this "debaterfag" misconception come from? Sounds like you're a little sour. Personal experience means nothing in the context of what other people should decide. Since a forum consists of the other people in the community... posting about personal experience in a forum is rather pointless. Of course, one can make as many decisions off personal experience as he wants. Edited February 5, 2009 by dondon151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameAtAll Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Where does this "debaterfag" misconception come from? Sounds like you're a little sour.Personal experience means nothing in the context of what other people should decide. Since a forum consists of the other people in the community... posting about personal experience in a forum is rather pointless. Of course, one can make as many decisions off personal experience as he wants. Right. I've used Lilina and she has turned out marvelous. But in a debate, no one cares about my Lilina. They care about the average Lilina. Does that make sense to everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reikken Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 So I'm the only one that thinks that the debating fandom underrates her? <_< If it makes you feel any better, I think she's underrated by most debaters, too. Not by too much, but underrated nonetheless. But it's far more than countered by the overrating she gets from many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ercdouken Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I like using Lilina, even if she has speed and skill issues. She's not the best unit, but I still like using her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bros Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 You say personal experiance doesn't matter, but you say Lugh is great. Lugh is called so great and over rated probably because someone had a great experiance with him and called him amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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