Progenitus Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Geitz > Harken? Really? Harken's stats are quite a bit better (4 str/spd/def, along with skl/lck/res. Geitz has, like, 2 HP/2 con), and Geitz only has about 3 more chapters. I know Geitz can gain levels, but those are big caps to cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I might have underestimated Harken's stat leads, then, though you can also argue Geitz has better 2-range with the Brave Bow and all. I don't think there's a loser in a Harken vs Geitz debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soviet Gregor Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 How about this.. Geitz and Harken and Pent were best (pre-promotes) I ever had(in the GBA series). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aitherion Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I might have underestimated Harken's stat leads, then, though you can also argue Geitz has better 2-range with the Brave Bow and all. I don't think there's a loser in a Harken vs Geitz debate. Tomahawk and Light Brand realistically cover all of a Hero's 2-range needs, especially since they can actually counter 1-range attacks afterward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Competing with Bows isn't easy though. Tomahawk isn't a common weapon (same with Light Brand. Never mind the ludicrous requirement). People say "lolnocounterattack" then again he could always get traded his Axe and still do as well. 1-2 range is slightly overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Does Harken even need anything better than a handaxe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Does Harken even need anything better than a handaxe? No. 23 Atk is pretty friggin high for offense, though sucks how it is two away from the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kintenbo Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 My brother thoroughly thinks Karel is better than Harken even in Hard Mode. I laughed. He tried to make a point of Karel's +15 critical rate, but does that really outweigh Harken's advantages? I think not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 No. 23 Atk is pretty friggin high for offense, though sucks how it is two away from the cap. Yeah. Even base Harken with Hand Axe ORKOs higher end 37 HP/13 def WKs in chapter 32 with WTA (though some have Axereaver). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CATS Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Harken sucks and Karel is better than him. Harken makes the game easy. Fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Harken makes the game easy. But the game IS easy :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Harken makes the game easy. But the game IS easy :/ Oh I see what you did there. Still, I see how Harken destroys everything upon jointime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soviet Gregor Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Can Karel 1RKO people? ...without a critical :o On starting stats!?!?! I think not. Edited August 20, 2009 by Rennac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I actually share great opinions on both Harken and Karel, in Eliwood's mode I recruit Harken and in Hector's I recruit Karel so that he can support with Karla. Well, I think Harken is a really great unit, unlike Raven, he is more of a tank and he doesn't get to slowed down to axes either, HE DOES deserve to use Basilikos, I always S rank him in axes and give him a body ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Can Karel 1RKO people? ...without a critical :o On starting stats!?!?! I think not. Actually, I think he can. He's just worse durably and has no 1-2 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Can Karel 1RKO people? ...without a critical :o On starting stats!?!?! I think not. Actually, I think he can. He's just worse durably and has no 1-2 range. I'm not too familiar with this game,but he has 29 Att at base with Silver,I dunno what that does,of course he can always pull Killing edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Can Karel 1RKO people? ...without a critical :o On starting stats!?!?! I think not. Mages are easy pickings for him. Or just have him fight someone unpromoted that he can double. Edited August 21, 2009 by Joshybear25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedgar Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) I agree with Harken>Karel and Harken>Raven, because Karel isn't really my type of character, though I do sometime use myrmidians/swordmasters, I prefer Heroes because they can often take a beating...I like how Harken's pretty good right out of the box, and Raven takes some work to match the others at this point. Though, stat-wise Raven is probably the better of the two. Edited August 24, 2009 by Sedgar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I agree with Harken>Karel and Harken>Raven, because of his ability to tear through opponents wilst not getting killed and te act that he's much easier to manage than Raven who takes some work (he's still a good unit, though) and probably my favorite from FE7. Can you explain how Raven takes some work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I agree with Harken>Karel and Harken>Raven, because of his ability to tear through opponents wilst not getting killed and te act that he's much easier to manage than Raven who takes some work (he's still a good unit, though) and probably my favorite from FE7. Can you explain how Raven takes some work? Probably somewhere along the lines of "well Lolraven can't even solo lategame maps at base level. lolfailure." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I will say that availability is really the only thing Raven has going for him versus Harken: Harken's better than him when both exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soviet Gregor Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 Now I love Harken(No Homo), But saying Raven is < to him is a little too much. Raven needs training. That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Harken has "Defense", LOL, 5 for a base...let's Harken has 15 Def, ha ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I will say that availability is really the only thing Raven has going for him versus Harken: Harken's better than him when both exist. The only stats Harken might have over Raven when harken joins are Str, Luck, Def, and Res. Raven cathes up in Str, Luck hardly matters, and Raven's durability is already adequate enough, plus he might have as much as +4 from supports, which would actually close the gap entirely. I don't see how Harken ever wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soviet Gregor Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 I will say that availability is really the only thing Raven has going for him versus Harken: Harken's better than him when both exist. The only stats Harken might have over Raven when harken joins are Str, Luck, Def, and Res. Raven cathes up in Str, Luck hardly matters, and Raven's durability is already adequate enough, plus he might have as much as +4 from supports, which would actually close the gap entirely. I don't see how Harken ever wins. The fact that Raven can DIE in early chapters easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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