Likely political developments in North America 2010

[Hero]

[Mousefire]

Shouldn't Mexico of conquered Texas?

[Hero]

Shouldn't Mexico of conquered Texas?

No, when Texas secedes in July all of its National Guard forces and a good portion of the US Army are going with it. The Mexican armed forces aren't prepared for anything but crime fighting, and aren't the best at that. By the time they could be ready the invasion of Sonora and Chihuahua will already have begun.

[Mousefire]

Shouldn't Mexico of conquered Texas?

No, when Texas secedes in July all of its National Guard forces and a good portion of the US Army are going with it. The Mexican armed forces aren't prepared for anything but crime fighting, and aren't the best at that. By the time they could be ready the invasion of Sonora and Chihuahua will already have begun.

They didn't kill each other out?

[Le Communard]

But the Pacific states always get Florida!

Edited January 27, 2010 by Le Communard

[Parrhesia]

You really think the UN will have influence and power enough for a single country slightly larger than the Vatican? Really?

Couldn't even stop one crazy guy talking for two hours at their own convention.

[Hero]

They didn't kill each other out?

Nah, none of the armed conflicts will last longer than three weeks. The United Nations will have a hand in drawing up fast ceasefires, though it'll be ignored for the most part when it comes to the subject of returning territories.

There'll be a big refugee problem, but it won't be totally clear how that'll turn out until 2011.

But the Pacific states always get Florida!

Yeah, Florida will vote to join us in a plebiscite after our secession but we're going to give the ethnic Cuban part (everything south or Orlando) to Cuba in order to prevent regional tensions from rising.

You really think the UN will have influence and power enough for a single country slightly larger than the Vatican? Really?

Couldn't even stop one crazy guy talking for two hours at their own convention.

Government in the city will be pretty much either non-existent or dominated by countries like Sudan and Libya. It will become the origin of likely a majority of the refugee problem I mentioned above.

Trust me, less than a month after becoming a UN trust territory New York (also Northern New Jersey, Long Island and surrounding counties in New York state) will become a hotbed of international terror as highly radicalized refugee populations come there to squat in buildings abandoned by New Yorkers who fled to the United States in the turmoil, the Gaza of the Western Hemisphere. In acquiring territory for the first time since 1948 the UN will be cutting its own throat.

[Parrhesia]

The UN are too weak to ever own significant land.

And some people say they're gonna take over the world. My gods,

[Hero]

The UN is very significant in certain areas, though it would never fear to interfere with the internal affairs of most countries.

Its owned land before, though its given practically all of it away. The seizure of New York will start as an emergency measure to 'insure' the security of the UN headquarters and put pressure on the United States to either end the insurrections in its territory or recognize the separatists. It will likely last for many years however.

[Candlejack]

*Yawn* boring.

Everyone knows we'll blow each other to kingdom come.

With nukes. Not mouths.

[Hero]

Nukes are so 1948. Conventional warfare is the wave of the future!

[Original Alear]

[Northern New Jersey] will become a hotbed of international terror as highly radicalized refugee populations come there to squat in buildings abandoned by New Yorkers who fled to the United States in the turmoil, the Gaza of the Western Hemisphere. In acquiring territory for the first time since 1948 the UN will be cutting its own throat.

Wow. I think that my home state of New Jersey might well go up in everyone's estimation if something like this occurs.

[Altera the Hun]

The United States isn't gonna splinter. Cuba is on the verge of collapse, likely to explode when Fidel finally croaks. Mexico would get CRUSHED by the current US forces, whether that be the Army, National Guard, or even just the Police. China doesn't give a damn about expansion, and North Korea doesn't want anything to do with American anything.

I can see those gains happening though. Mexico's military history blows, and Canada is a bunch of pansy-ass draft dodgers at this point. >_>

[Original Alear]

China doesn't give a damn about expansion

But does it give a damn about vacationing in Hawaii???!!! YES I THINK IT DOES!

[riariadne]

I request Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts are changed to Not-so-New England.

[Hero]

The United States isn't gonna splinter. Cuba is on the verge of collapse, likely to explode when Fidel finally croaks. Mexico would get CRUSHED by the current US forces, whether that be the Army, National Guard, or even just the Police. China doesn't give a damn about expansion, and North Korea doesn't want anything to do with American anything.

I can see those gains happening though. Mexico's military history blows, and Canada is a bunch of pansy-ass draft dodgers at this point. >_>

Mexico could put up a tougher resistance than they will, but to be honest the government in the south won't be too unhappy at losing some of the border regions that tend not to vote for it and have been taking more money than they've been giving back in recent years, thanks to the out of control crime problems and big unemployment outside the cities. Mexico knows it has a good chance at developing a good relationship and integrating with the Pacific States in the long term, where there are millions of citizens of Mexican nationality and Spanish is one of three official languages. They may end up having miscalculated, though, as the right and the left in Mexico will be strengthened against the ruling PRI in the next elections.

Canada won't be doing any defensive fighting, it'll let BC and Alberta go when the provincial governments vote to join the UPS without a struggle. Relations have been strained for a long time between the East and West in Canada, more than in the USA. Losing the Yukon undemocratically will be a loss of face and losing Alberta will be a kick economically, but New England is enough of a greater prize that Ottawa won't be too concerned, at least in 2010.

In terms of armies, Mexico's is a joke considering the country's level of income and population of 149 million. It's probably better off than most European armies, but then most European armies are even bigger jokes. Canada's armed forces are mostly pretty lightweight as well, but there are a some very good units that get the most modern equipment and have been hardened through cooperation with US military missions. Those units are the ones that will do most of the work with taking over New England. In all of the armies except perhaps the Pacific and the Texian most soldiers aren't even going to be sent outside their bases.

China doesn't give a damn about expansion

But does it give a damn about vacationing in Hawaii???!!! YES I THINK IT DOES!

With the Panama Canal cut off by the new government in Central America and the ports of the West Coast closed, Hawaii will have no reasonable way to receive the imports it needs to survive from the United States. Hawaii will declare independence in the same way that Texas and Alaska did (Alaska was invaded by the Pacific States). China will have no choice but to move in its aid workers and peacekeepers, with UN blessing of course. Most Hawaiians will be excited by the prospect of integration with China and the potentially greater volume of tourism that would result.

[Hero]

I request Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts are changed to Not-so-New England.

Take it up with the Canucks. They've been eyeing New England since before 1812 and aren't about to let it go lightly once they get their hands on it.

[NinjaMonkey]

So the US is planning to invade Canada?

Cuba is on the verge of collapse, likely to explode when Fidel finally croaks.

Except Fidel Castro isn't in charge anymore, his brother, Raul, is.

[Fayt Zelpher]

No, we're going to get the U.S. of Canada and Jesusland first.

[Original Alear]

If NYC and NJ are part of the same territory, does that mean that The Giants are now officially an NJ football team?

[Hero]

So the US is planning to invade Canada?

Hell no, the other way around!

Don't worry about your country, though. As far as I can see things in Western Europe will remain pretty static through the next year. A good number of American refugees will have UK citizenship and might end up trying to relocate near you though. Not too much of a worry, they'll probably be better neighbors than most of the unassimilated immigrants there already.

[Altera the Hun]

Cuba is on the verge of collapse, likely to explode when Fidel finally croaks.

Except Fidel Castro isn't in charge anymore, his brother, Raul, is.

People are afraid of Fidel though. No one gives a rat's ass about his brother.

[Hero]

That brother no one gives a rat's ass about is leading the country right now. Fidel's enjoying retired life. Raúl's actually one of few old revolutionary leaders who isn't retired or dead.

Cuba already went through a much bigger crisis than any potential political vacuum during the 1990s, and it emerged whole. Cubans have a lot of national unity and have been able to adapt to circumstances pretty well in the past, I'm no expert in Cuban affairs but I doubt there will be a collapse there in the near future unless its precipitated from outside. Certainly not in 2010, 2010 is going to be a very good year for Cuba.

[Defeatist Elitist]

Sweet, did we just invade Greenland? Fuck the Danes anyway, they always want to take our Arctic.

[Junkhead]