Radiant Dragon Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 It's not that hard to disallow using undrafted units as Torches while still allowing them to move, and we do want to minimize the impact of undrafted units as much as possible, but it just doesn't seem to me like something that should be disallowed. It affects less than letting undrafted units Shop, find desert items and rescue NPCs, which are all allowed in most drafts. Everyone is able to take advantage of it, so it's not like only a couple drafters are saving turns this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashGordon94 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I'm for allowing them to be used for FOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 I'm for allowing it because otherwise we need individual exceptions (fuck 2-2 if cats aren't allowed to reveal) and I hate individual exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessence Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I didn't mean to create another rule penalizing this, but using undrafted units to reveal FoW to make a drafted/free unit advance in order to save turns is a bit inappropriate. It doesn't matter how many turns it saves, but it helps to, and that, imo, is incurring in a penalty as well as gaining bonuses from bonds or Dragon tides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I dont see the problem when anyone can take advantage of it. Everyone can have lethe move to reveal the boss and the general in 2-2, kill them both and start shove smiting lucia for the 4 turn...except the one with drafted lucia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Revealing stuff in 3-6 is more about planning than revealing stuff to kill imo. Ive never used volug there myself for fear of having to restart due to misplacing or something, causing him to get attacked. Ive also never needed nailah in 4-1 to 4 turn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashGordon94 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Honestly, it doesn't matter if it saves turns, banned it would be painful so fuck that! Drafts are menat to be fun to, you have to compromise sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 I didn't mean to create another rule penalizing this, but using undrafted units to reveal FoW to make a drafted/free unit advance in order to save turns is a bit inappropriate. It doesn't matter how many turns it saves, but it helps to, and that, imo, is incurring in a penalty as well as gaining bonuses from bonds or Dragon tides. Taking a slightly extreme example, what about Thieves and deploy screens? Am I banned from shuffling Matthew around his various spots to see where the enemies are before I start the map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I finished my own normal mode with a twist FE11 draft in 185 turns. 133 for the main game + 52 from gaidens and prologue not free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) HNM With a little experimental change #30586 General Horace - Florina, Oswin, Pent, Erk, Dart, Serra, Bartre/Karla, Nino Refa - Sain, Priscilla, Isadora, Farina, Guy, Harken, Wil The Insane One - Fiora, Lowen, Raven, Hawkeye, Legault, Canas, Jaffar, Renault PKL - Kent, Heath, Matt, Lucius, Louise, Dorcas, Rebecca, Rath Edited February 14, 2012 by General Horace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 @PKL: Yes. @Horace: You got those last two numbers backwards, Dr. Dyslexia. #30586 doesn't exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 well, oops, I'm glad somebody was awake. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I finished the first knickerbocker, the FE8 knickerbocker with 145 turns. Thank you for that team, Integ. (: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 np bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 And with that, I am done with my FE8 drafts. :D 16 more drafts to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessence Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Taking a slightly extreme example, what about Thieves and deploy screens? Am I banned from shuffling Matthew around his various spots to see where the enemies are before I start the map? No not necessarily. I'm not in favor of it because I think of it as a style of playing. Battle preps positions are predetermined so it doesn't matter, but I don't see proper to reveal enemies on purpose. I think you should only use your drafted units besides the free ones. Well, it's my opinion. I'm not going to declare any resistance at all :3 *Swinging white flag* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) I finished Creepers draft that I reported wrong earlier with 154 turns rushing bosses with Oswin earlygame is the best strategy ever also I hate to bring this up, but looking back at some of creepers LHM + HHM turncounts (167 and 175) if he replicated my LHM LTC with everybody (47 turns) with just Lucius and Lyn, his HNM turncount would be an astounding 120 turns, which is 34 turns better than the above clear, which, in all honesty, isn't possible. 62 out of the 120 turns are defend chapters, leaving 58 turns over the course of the remaining 22 chapters, averaging about 2.6 turns per chapter, which isn't feasible. I have a strong feeling he might have just looked at past turncounts, and made a feasible one up, but overlooked the fact that past drafts didn't include Lyn Mode. If I am incorrect, I apologize, but the fact is, you haven't posted any logs whatsoever, or any proof that you've finished aside from "I'm done". Edited February 16, 2012 by General Horace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) *sigh* This is why I prefer logs. EDIT: Go pursue this, Horace. I'll hound Harpoon about it. If there's some deception going on here, I'm going to be VERY cross. Edited February 16, 2012 by Integrity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Yes, thats exactly what i thought when i saw harpoon's consecutives "i'm done" posts. I asked him about it since I was extremely dubious of him beating me by a lot when i have florina and he told me that was his HNM TC. He shouldve added his LHM TC...EDIT: Also, I think there should be a rule stating that u must log each chapter's TC and stats at the very least. Who cares if you are too lazy to log? Dont join drafts then. I at least like looking at logs with unit stats. There are a few drafters here that only post TCs, sometimes without even saying what they did. :/ Edited February 16, 2012 by PKL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 I only halfway agree there. I know I can't be assed to write codeboxes with stats after every chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I am done with the first part of the Tellius Draft #3 with 174 turns in PoR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Integrity, maybe put template code boxes for people to use in a draft, so when it comes time to log stats, people can copypastsa it and fill it in accordingly. I try to log turn counts for every chapter, but sometimes I forget and go ahead a chapter or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessence Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 EDIT: Also, I think there should be a rule stating that u must log each chapter's TC and stats at the very least. Who cares if you are too lazy to log? Dont join drafts then. I at least like looking at logs with unit stats. There are a few drafters here that only post TCs, sometimes without even saying what they did. :/ I agree with this...err...I know I don't post stats or things but now I have my computer back so expect how I improve my TC posts8D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I wouldn't go as far to make posting stats every chapter nescessary, in most drafts, if I'm finishing chapters at a quick pace, I usually won't bother with stats, especially early on. But still, at least list the turncount, so people have the option to question it if your description isn't adequete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I havent been able to post my logs because its all written in a notebook now. Including stats and my strats. It takes ages to post them from a phone. But once i get to a comp, i will post them asap since it only takes me a few minutes to write anything in comps. keyboards ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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