Second Pronoun Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) I get Karel JB gets Karla (ITT: Joshy gets uber-screwed by the RNG) SP gets Guy Whitefang - Harken (as if his team wasn't already a massive clusterfuck) Okay, there are two units left: Lucius and Wallace. SP has Geitz, so he gets Lucius. The cluster will be as follows, for everyone else: 1. Lucius 2. Wallace I get... Wallace, JB gets Lucius, and Whitefang gets Wallace. HNNNNNG. BEGIN. Edited November 23, 2011 by Kam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) yay this Kent - YAY KENT. I wanted Sain, but he's alright too, I guess. Nino - fuck you Vaida - Yay? Dorcas - I like Dorcas. This should be fun. Pent - FUCK YEAH PENT Legault - Woo thieving! Isadora - YAY Jaffar - Woo... second assassin! Karla - FUCK. At least she's hot Lucius - yay BARTRE - get to 10/5 and gtfo Definitely doing LHM. Edited November 23, 2011 by JBCWK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) I get Bartre (...)Joshy gets Isadora SP gets Matthew Whitefang gets Rath These units aren't on our teams in the first post. Raven - Boss killer? Priscilla - Best healer! Wil - Worst archer, which makes him super terrible Florina - Rescue shenanigans Lowen - Worst cavalier, but still a good unit Lyn - At least she'll be a high level Farina - Starts out slow, she might not get a chance to grow like she should. She'll cost me some turns on Chapter 25 probably (I'm overestimating my abilities again) Harken - Solid prepromote, of course Wallace - Might kill Lundgren and will then disappear forever. Rath - I don't know, at least he's fast. Considering that nearly half my team is in Lyn mode, I'll be going there. I also hope to get lower than 75 turns. Edited November 23, 2011 by Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 You saw nothing Sain - YAY SAIN Serra - I've personally had bad experiences with her but whatev Rebecca - See above. Erk - ...Ooookay? Heath - Never really used him. Dart - yay dart Eliwood - ...hahahahaha. Karel - He's promoted coolio Wallace - GWAHAHAHAHAHA- fuck Bartre - hnnng --- *cries* Not doing Lyn Mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Pronoun Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 My thoughts on this very odd team(in draft order) Second Pronoun - Oswin, Renault, Geitz, Fiora, Louise,Matthew, Hawkeye, Canas, Guy, Lucius Oswin-Don't really want you but you should have early game utility Renault-GTFO Good for 1 chapter of suckage Geitz- Not recruited Fiora- Not as good as Florina, in this draft, but very good Louise- Okay I guess Matt- Okay I guess, but I'm not going Lyn Mode Hawkeye- He's a beast. Canas- Good pick and a great guy too Guy- I have Matt do he shouldn't be hard to recruit Lucius-Will cost turns I hopefully can get back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Prologue - 5/5 Chapter 1 - 4/9 - Sain has to get a +SPD here, or the rest of LHM takes a dip. Chapter 2 - 5/14 Chapter 3 - 5/19 Chapter 4 - 7/26 Chapter 5 - 4/30 - You have to get a little bit lucky with Erk, he has to kill a mercenary on his turn (I didn't bother recruiting him) Chapter 6 - 4 + 4 = 8/38 - I could do it in four turns with Matt, or eight turns without. Doing it with Matt nets me an Angelic Robe. Go figure. Chapter 7 - 7/45 - Lyn needs to crit Heintz, Sain has to carry her there. Chapter 7x - 8/53 Chapter 8 - 6/59 - Sain rampage, Erk grabs the Lancereaver, Lyn mops up. Chapter 9 - 4/63 - Sain carries Lyn to Eagler, Wallace/Erk/Serra twiddle their thumbs. You need some luck with Sain (or a 2-use Iron Lance); he needs to hit Eagler twice on EP. Chapter 10 - 12/75 - Sain used the Knight Crest and Lancereaver'd Lundgren. --- It came out to exactly 75 turns. I'm happy. --EDIT-- Chapter 11 - 7/82 turns Hector bumrushes Wire, Matt is support. Edited November 23, 2011 by Kam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Out of curiousity, how long is the source for that Java program? C:\>python -c "print '\n'.join(__import__('random').sample('1234', 4))" 1 4 2 3 Also, don't you take a penalty for Matthew in Ch11 if you did in Ch6? And didn't you say you weren't doing Lyn mode anyway? Edited November 23, 2011 by zahlman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Pronoun Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Why is Wallace optional to recruit. Everyone is going to get that chapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Because someone might have gotten all 3 lords as well as Wallace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Also, don't you take a penalty for Matthew in Ch11 if you did in Ch6? And didn't you say you weren't doing Lyn mode anyway? I'm not 100% but I think he needed Matthew to step on a switch? At least I hope so because I'm already way past that chapter and used Matthew to open doors and chests as I thought he was free for that. Prologue 5/5 Chapter 1 5/10 Chapter 2 7/17 Chapter 3 7/24 Chapter 4 7/31 Chapter 5 7/38 Chapter 6 6/44 Florina uses the Angelic Robe Chapter 7 2/46 Florina crits and saves the good levels the team earned. Chapter 7x 6/52 Forgot to deploy Nils. Oh well. Chapter 8 7/59 It's important to keep Florina out of range of attacks. Chapter 9 4/63 Chapter 10 7/70 Wallace stole a good level up AND waited to get D axes until after he killed Lundgren. Jerk. Florina got the Energy Ring. Unit Lev Exp HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wep Lyn 12 98 25 8 13 16 9 3 6 Swd-A Florina 8 51 27 9 11 10 12 5 6 Lnc-B Wil 7 98 23 8 7 8 7 7 0 Bow-C Rath 8 76 25 8 10 11 5 7 2 Bow-B Nils 2 22 15 0 0 12 11 6 5 Wallace 2 74 35 16 10 9 10 17 5 Lnc-A Axe-D Edited November 23, 2011 by Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 Out of curiousity, how long is the source for that Java program? C:\>python -c "print '\n'.join(__import__('random').sample('1234', 4))" 1 4 2 3 Also, don't you take a penalty for Matthew in Ch11 if you did in Ch6? And didn't you say you weren't doing Lyn mode anyway? ...I hate java. import java.util.Random; public class listGen { static boolean[] used = { false,false,false,false }; public static void main(String[] args) { int[] list = new int[4]; for(int x = 0;x < 4;x++) { Random myRandom = new Random(); int gen = myRandom.nextInt(4) + 1; if(!isUsed(gen)) { list[x] = gen; used[gen-1] = true; System.out.println(gen); } else{ x--; continue; } } } public static boolean isUsed(int i) { return used[--i]; } } Matthew is free usage for chapter 11 only (It's not directly stated, but I made a point of saying that any rule in the generic ruleset that isn't contradicted is, unless otherwise stated, in affect). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 - However, Matthew may steal and open doors&chests without penalty even if he is undrafted. I'm fine with taking a penalty, but I just wanted to point this out. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 ... *headdesk* Alrighty then, what would you guys want? Take the fall for the Angelic Robe, or just make Matt free for thieving duties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I'm fine with incurring a penalty. I'm just glad I didn't steal any other vulneraries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Pronoun Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I think he should be allowed to open doors and chests and steal promotion items. But not to steal other stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I really think that usual thieving duties should be allowed (opening doors, chests, stealing), but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 ...I hate java. ...I don't blame you, but I can still offer a few suggestions... import java.util.Random; // FFS be consistent and use either only tabs or only spaces for indentation. // If your IDE is tabbing things for you, slap it around until it stops // mixing tabs and spaces. public class listGen { public static void main(String[] args) { // No reason for this to be a class member when there's only the one piece of functionality. boolean[] used = { false, false, false, false }; int[] list = new int[4]; // Initialize this only once outside the loop to get proper randomness! Random myRandom = new Random(); for (int x = 0; x < 4; x++) { // Use the value without the +1 for calculations, and only adjust when you need it to print. // Instead of playing around with the 'x' index value, nest a loop to pull valid value. // 'isUsed' is too trivial for a separate function, especially with the first change. // Get the value you want first, and then print it. int r = -1; do { r = myRandom.nextInt(4); } while (used[r]); used[r] = true; System.out.println(r + 1); } } } And thx for the clarification about Matthew. To be honest I'm not that familiar with the generic rulesets because, well, I like the way I do it better :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Pronoun Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I think it really devalues Matt to do that. Matt should be allowed to do most thieving utilities but there is no need to allow him to steal unimportant items. I know I like to steal Vulneraries but I don't think that utility should go to everyone. And to start I think the lowest turncount in Lyn mode should be the amount given to those who don't play Lyn Mode at the start. I mean it is already an advantage to have a trained Florina coming out of Lyn mode. But maybe that is just me. And to Start Chapter 11 7/7 turns Just standard 7-turn Clear Chapter 12 4/11 turns Had Matt, Oswin, and Hector guard the south while Marcus solos the north. Chapter 13 8/19 turns Matt recruited Guy while Marcus rushed with Hector. Oswin got the village and I got the sidequest. Chapter 13x 7/26 turns Had Guy go East while Matt, Oswin, Marcus, and Hector held down the fort. Marcus got the boss kill while Guy got some stellar level ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Chapter 11 9/79 turns Apparently Wire moves in normal mode. Unit Lev Exp HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wep Hector 4 2 22 10 6 6 4 9 0 Axe-C Chapter 12 4/83 turns I'm tired of messing up. My first attempt (6 turns) I had to scrap because I sent Matthew shopping. The sad part was that I didn't have to do it. Good thing it forced me to start over. Unit Lev Exp HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wep Hector 6 43 24 10 7 6 6 9 0 Axe-C Marcus 1 28 Base Lowen 2 40 Base Chapter 13 6/89 turns Everyone went through Merlinus's village, and Hector ended up walking to the throne. Lowen finally got in some shopping. Unit Lev Exp HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wep Hector 7 8 24 10 8 6 7 9 1 Axe-C Marcus 2 19 31 15 15 11 9 10 8 Swd-A Lnc-A Axe-B Lowen 2 70 Base Chapter 13x 7/96 turns Marcus ran around to the village, and Hector guarded the North while Lowen fought in the east. Dorcas moved Merlinus out of danger. Lowen needs to get better and soon. Unit Lev Exp HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wep Hector 8 66 25 11 8 6 7 9 1 Axe-B Marcus 2 65 31 15 15 11 9 10 8 Swd-A Lnc-A Axe-B Lowen 3 64 24 7 5 7 3 8 1 Swd-D Lnc-D Edited November 24, 2011 by Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Chapter 12 - 5/87 I've never actually had to hide away Oswin and Matt before, it took a few tries. Otherwise, Marcus shitstomp below, Hector shitstomp above. Name Level MaxHP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Hector 5.16 22 7 5 6 5 11 0 Eliwood 1.65 Base Bartre 2.75 Base Rebecca 1.86 Base Marcus 1.74 Base Chapter 13 - 6/93 Marcus ferries Hector over. Rebecca snags kills where she can. Eliwood and Bartre take north. Name Level MaxHP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Hector 5.60 22 7 5 6 5 11 0 Eliwood 2.08 19 5 6 7 8 5 1 Bartre 3.58 30 9 5 4 4 5 1 Rebecca 2.61 18 5 5 7 4 4 1 Marcus 2.78 31 15 16 11 8 10 8 Chapter 14 - 13/106 Edited November 24, 2011 by Kam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Chapter 11 9/79 turns Apparently Wire moves in normal mode. I think it's legitimately an AI bug... I don't think he's supposed to move, but I think the "run away and heal if you're at critical HP and have a Vulnerary" behaviour ends up overriding his normal behaviour. I know I've seen Heintz walk away from his gate in Lyn's tale. It might require that the objective is not "seize throne" for this to occur. (Heintz doesn't have a Vulnerary, does he?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Pronoun Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Chapter 14 8/34 turns Marcus ran forward. Guy went down and recruited Prissy so I can go Prissy-->Raven-->Lucius. I also got the iron blade. I had Hector stay back and kill the Peg Knights. Chapter 15 7/41 turns I had Matt go and get the stuff. Marcus killed Sealen to get a Steel Bow. Got a Silver axe which Marcus might use soon and Merlinius didn't die. Unit Lev Exp HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wep Hector 07 32 24 11 07 06 06 11 02 Axe C Marcus 06 22 34 16 18 12 10 12 09 Sword A Lance A Axe B Matt 06 26 20 04 05 12 05 05 00 Sword D Guy 07 26 24 09 13 13 08 06 00 Sword C Oswin 11 65 30 13 10 06 03 15 05 Lance B Chapter 16 6/47 turns Sain, Kent, and Lyn went shopping. Marcus carried Hector forward. I got the red gem village. Chapter 17 10/57 turns I rushed and I think Lucius cost me 2 turns. I got everything except the Silver sword, with Marcus getting the chest key through the wall. Merilinus died but not before I got the treasure back to him. All three soldiers survived. Chapter 17x 6/63 turns I got Canas. Marcus rushed to get to Fargus. Chapter 18 5/68 turns Marcus Rescue Matt and ran towards the boss. All the others took care of the other side. Matt stole the Speedwings and Marcus killed the boss with his Silver Lance. Chapter 19 6/74 turns Marcus Rushed to kill Uhai and he has 19 Strength. He's a beast. I got Fiora and a Nosferatu book. Guy got some kills and is turning into a beast. Stats after next chapter Chapter 19x 6/80 turns I rush everyone forward and have Fiora get the Goddess Icon Marcus kills the boss and I have Hector seize right after. Unit Lev Exp HP S/M Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wep Hector 12 63 29 13 09 07 08 14 02 Axe B Marcus 12 75 39 20 22 15 15 13 10 Sword A Lance S Axe A Matt 08 74 22 06 06 13 05 06 00 Sword C Guy 11 77 27 10 16 15 10 06 01 Sword B Oswin 15 56 33 13 11 07 04 17 07 Lance A Lucius 05 34 20 07 08 11 02 01 08 Light D Canas 11 92 22 12 09 10 08 06 10 Dark B Fiora 07 41 21 08 11 13 06 06 07 Lance C Chapter 20 8/88 turns I got the Luna, Guiding Ring, Member Card, and Barrier Staff. I had Lucius go against some archers. Canas got some level ups and Marcus kept being awesome. Probably gonna be some promotions soon, we'll see. Chapter 21 3/91 turns Marcus rush what more is there to say. Chapter 22 3/94 turns See Above Marcus Rush Chapter 23 7/101 turns I got the Ocean Seal, Eclipse and Fila's Might. Pent killed both bosses while everyone else killed other stuff. Canas did especially well as did Hawkeye. Chapter 24 3/104 turns Marcus rush and I bought some flux. Edited November 24, 2011 by Second Pronoun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 ... why is 23x banned, anyway? Too annoying to get exp for drafted units? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Pronoun Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 ... why is 23x banned, anyway? Too annoying to get exp for drafted units? Only those with healers spamming barrier can reliably get there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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