Anouleth Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Well, everybody defines archetypes wrong, then. That's not how language works. If one person defines a word in a different way to everyone else, he's the wrong one. The vast majority of people define archetypes based on how units work as units rather than on their personality and history, and like it or not, the minority have to go along with that, because that's just how language works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Worst: Karla. Not only is she awful, she also requires using one of the worst characters in the game just to recruit. Ugh. Best: I say Rutger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Well, everybody defines archetypes wrong, then. This doesn't make sense to me, considering your own definition of archetypes has always changed to conform to your own view. And I've seen you do this in IP.Chat, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Edward is a Myrmidon to start Who promotes into a Swordsmaster. Oh, and FE10!Stefan counts as well (before anybody asks). the wiki does not state him as a notable SM. What the Wiki states (or otherwise) is irrelevant as far as I, and this thread, are concerned. Edited February 26, 2012 by NinjaMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Best: Rutger Worst: General Banzai my definition of swordmaster is probably different from most others though Edited February 27, 2012 by Mekkah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Best: Rutger Worst: General Banzai my definition of swordmaster is probably different from most others though As long as you can back up your definition of an archetype to include General Banzai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm pretty damn sure FE Archetypes are more gameplay oriented than whatever the fuck else. I mean fuck not all Est characters are little pink-haired sissies on a flying horse and not all Jeigans are old men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethereal Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm pretty damn sure FE Archetypes are more gameplay oriented than whatever the fuck else. I mean fuck not all Est characters are little pink-haired sissies on a flying horse and not all Jeigans are old men Then every one who's ever called those characters Jeigans or Est are wrong. So speaketh General Banzai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) This doesn't make sense to me, considering your own definition of archetypes has always changed to conform to your own view. And I've seen you do this in IP.Chat, too. My definition of what constitutes a specific archetype has changed; the process I use to determine archetypes has not. I mean fuck not all Est characters are little pink-haired sissies on a flying horse and not all Jeigans are old men That's why there's both a Jagen archetype and an Oifaye archetype. ...That even exists in a gameplay-based archetype. >.> Edited February 27, 2012 by General Banzai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Because Evayle is an Oifaye amirite Oifaye is a subarchetype of Jeigan and not everyone even cares about Oifaye as an Archetype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Worst: General Banzai I take it that you don't actually expect me to count this, right? Edited February 27, 2012 by NinjaMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Worst: FE10 Zihark Edward is mediocre and Lucia is a waste of resources, but Zihark will end up worse off than either of them if his chancey growths decide to smite you, take it from me. The support bonus was about the only thing I had keeping him alive in Part 4. Then how the hell is he worse than Lucia. His growths are better, his bases are better, his joining time and long-term availability is much better. What does Lucia have over him? Hint: Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) calm your tits Soul My definition of what constitutes a specific archetype has changed; the process I use to determine archetypes has not. Also doesn't make sense. Your process is finding general patterns between people across games- everyone else uses that process too. Not my point. You twist the definition of each archetype to suit whatever you find yourself agreeing with in the end, and whatever you want. Anything can be used as a general pattern, which means that archetypes are sorta bullshit. Edited February 27, 2012 by Mercenary Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Then how the hell is he worse than Lucia. His growths are better, his bases are better, his joining time and long-term availability is much better. What does Lucia have over him? Hint: Nothing. Technically Lucia's bases are better, actually. She wins everything. For his level, Z has better bases, but that doesn't mean much of anything. And Lucia's higher base level means she can be crown'd once she rejoins for no effort expended. She won't be good, but she'll double without much issue, and can be filler with a Silver Critforge. 'Tis something, atleast, that Z needs to be raised to match. No I am not saying Lucia > Zihark. I am being contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat726 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Best: Lakche Worst: Shanam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sage Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I take it that you don't actually expect me to count this, right? You should count it. It is the best vote in this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 calm your tits Soul STFU Technically Lucia's bases are better, actually. She wins everything. For his level, Z has better bases, but that doesn't mean much of anything. And Lucia's higher base level means she can be crown'd once she rejoins for no effort expended. She won't be good, but she'll double without much issue, and can be filler with a Silver Critforge. 'Tis something, atleast, that Z needs to be raised to match. No I am not saying Lucia > Zihark. I am being contrary. Availability, mang. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Because Evayle is an Oifaye amirite Evayle is neither an Oifaye or a Jagen. The Oifaye of Thracia is Finn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 But Finn isn't promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Best: Shannan Worst: Shannam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 But Finn isn't promoted. Perhaps he means in a plot sense. Fin served Leaf's father just as Oifaye served Celice's father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I take it that you don't actually expect me to count this, right? Considering nobody else voted Banzai I doubt it matters. As long as you count the Rutger vote I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) The problem is this: Please vote for what YOU think is the best AND worst in the series for this round. Failure to vote for both will result in your vote not being counted. So, if your vote for worst doesn't count, then your vote for best doesn't count either... Edited February 27, 2012 by NinjaMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Count it as Shanam or something Because by my definitions of Shanam GB = Shanam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Best- Shanan Honorable mentions- fe10 Zihark&Mia , Rutger&Fir, Hat, Shiva, Ayra, and Edward Worst-Karla mentions- fe7 Karel, Marisa, fe9 Lucia,Shanam Edited February 27, 2012 by The Insane One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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