MacLovin Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 No. Calill is still better than Ilyana in EM/NM. Even though Ilyana has the availability. Ilyana just...sucks that bad. Calill has better growths all around. Soren can function as a main combat GM in NM/em Drafts. Illyana is indeed suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottlegnomes Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Horses aren't a huge deal in RD. There's quite a few maps that aren't friendly for horses. The difference is Calill is usable whenever she's around. When she rejoins she's a capabale fighter, while Makalov and Kieran are kind of... eh. Also innate Nihil is really helpful for endgame. But she's not. Honest. For a comparison: Kieran (11 or base) HP 41 Str 21 Mag 6 Skl 20 Spd 20 Luck 16 Def 18 Res 11 Makalov (11 or +4 from base, unlikely for same reason as Calill) HP 39.2 Str 19.6 Mag 5.6 Skl 18.6 Spd 21 Luck 21.8 Def 19 Res 10 Calill (11 or +5 from base, which is fairly large considering she has two chapters before joining the GMs): HP 33.75 Str 10.25 Mag 21.25 Skl 21 Spd 20.75 Luck 18.75 Def 11.75 Res 19.5 She loses by a lot to both in durability and has virtually identical speed. Her offense is better than Mak's by virtue of the def/res gap (though this is made up a bit by forging) and no particularly good 2 range for him (ie either uses crappy wind edges or sacrifices hit for something stronger like storm swords), but about equal to Kieran's because of axes superior might and the ability to forge. If they're eh, and one is with no training, she's definitely eh upon rejoining. As for the horses, true, but it's still a benefit more often than a hinderance, unless your name is Fiona. And nihil is nice for endgame, so I'll give you that. But I'm still not seeing 1-2 points higher than Mak and Kieran. Oh right, rating. 4.5/10 she can siege tome in 2-E which is really nice, and might be able to make 3-9 go a lot faster if you save some of the siege tome uses. Overall, same problems as other CRKs. Low availability and not particularly special when raised. Best sage if raised, but still a sage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Soren can function as a main combat GM in NM/em Drafts. Illyana is indeed suck. Soren needs tweaking but not a huge amount if you have transfers. Its more skill set stuff than actual like, stat boosters and forges. Calill and Soren are pretty close in terms of actual stats (and i think she can actually reach her speed cap sooner when promoted) but hes got that availability edge on her.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titamon Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Keep in mind, almost everybody who voted ended up giving her +0.5 / +1 to her score due to bias, which could explain the "higher than average" score. Even without bias Calill's scores are hovering around 5 and 6, which is too high imo. This puts her above Kieran, who I think is a better unit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Samias Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Look. Sanaki is like an offensive version of Micaiah. Folks who do drafts just use forges, resove and a bit of bexp, then have Sanaki in the Silver Army. Calill's only win over Sanaki is availibility, and having better spd growth. Calill also has staves and innate Nihil, and her lower mag is still easier to fix than Sanaki's AS losses. And if you're going to assume drafts, then of course you can overcome Sanaki's weaknesses. If you assume drafts, then any character in this game can be made endgame worthy, since you have to use your drafts. I find comparisons between Sanaki and Micaiah to be a bit of a stretch, because Micaiah can Sacrifice-Resolve for offence, and Thani gives her effective MT against armors and horses, two very common enemies. Sanaki is better compared to the other archsages, coming in with great weapon ranks and some nice bases, but Sanaki is going to need stat boosters to hit her caps faster for bexp abuse. At base, she still gets weighed down by Cymbelline, and her personal tome isn't even heavy. Whereas Calill just needs exp in general to overcome a weaker base level but is going to start capping stats a lot earlier. Calill's caps are lower for the most part, but by 4-F-3, Sanaki can't even attack Sephiran, and has a puny chip against Ashera that would make Ewan proud. Calill switches to staves and does the support thing instead. Sanaki isn't completely wretched but she requires uber amounts of babying to reach her (admittedly huge) potential, whereas Calill can be lesser and yet still have better utility at endgame from staves alone. As a side note, Sanaki is forced to the Silver Army anyway, and she's forced deployment. So you have to do SOMETHING with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 Micaiah and Elincia are probably all of the stave users you'll need for endgame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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