Retsudo Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Like really, is there any FE antagonist on par with Grima besides Ashera? Who can IS come up with at this point that could one-up even Grima? Or will Ashera and Grima stay at the top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Naga turns evil and decides to consume all of humanity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 grima was a pretty damn weak villain in terms of writing hardin was a better villain than grima :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 They don't have to 'one-up' Grima in terms of power for next final boss. To take an example from Pokemon, many were wondering how they would top Arceus, the most powerful pokemon in terms of stats. They didn't. They just made different legendaries that are powerful in their own right. Unless you're talking about story in which case I have to disagree completely as Grima would be pretty easy to one-up in story terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZellBeast Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 grima was a pretty damn weak villain in terms of writing hardin was a better villain than grima :/ Yeah they didn't really put much... what is it... depth? in grima =/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triangle Attack Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I honestly don't believe there has ever been a more underwhelming video game villain than Grima, from his bland characterization to the fact that you can easily one-turn him, so IS has its work cut out if it wants to make a worse final boss somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 The only final boss i've found to have had a lesser presence in the story is Veld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanoir Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 One up in terms of story, or in term of power ? Because Doma and the Demon King where pretty terrifying villains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Who can IS come up with at this point that could one-up even Grima? By making a monster like Grima. And giving it a backstory. And character depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocturnal YL Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I guess the top poster said Grima is powerful because future Grima has already devastated one world before coming to wake up current Grima. But yeah, in terms of character depth or gameplay power, it's not that great at all. Though if you count only final bosses, I'd obviously like Grima over generic fire dragon in FE7. Should've ended the story right after Nergal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Lavos Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I guess the top poster said Grima is powerful because future Grima has already devastated one world before coming to wake up current Grima. But yeah, in terms of character depth or gameplay power, it's not that great at all. Though if you count only final bosses, I'd obviously like Grima over generic fire dragon in FE7. Should've ended the story right after Nergal. Or simply have Nergal transfer his quintessence into the fire dragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakmé Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 By making a monster like Grima. And giving it a backstory. And character depth. Or by making a prequel to give him a backstory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaDragon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Simple: come up with some other fell dragon/fallen god/eldritch abomination, write it so that storywise it is clearly higher up on the food chain than Grima, put even the smallest effort to improving its resonance within the plot, and wham blam thank you ma'am, you have successfully escalated your villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrel Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Make sure they don't make the next final boss as stupid as Grima (I mean, really? Grima has been watching the heroes the whole time and fails to hear the plan that will keep Chrom from dying) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Naga turns evil and wrecks all of humanity they really don't, Grima's writing was terrible question for you guys: which final boss had the most story presence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I feel like Ashera had the most build-up without appearance, but Ashnard (lol Ash) had the most story presence of all final bosses (well there's also Julius). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrymsonSkye Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 The story for him was kind of bland, but I'll say that the final battle was awesome. That music was amazing, and the setting was cool too. More battles should take place on the backs of gigantic dragons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Nergal doesn't count as an answer to that question does he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrymsonSkye Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Nergal doesn't count as an answer to that question does he? I would say no, since that came out before Awakening. Now, if they either re-made Blazing Sword, or made a prequel to that prequel where it was Nergal in his...younger years? There can be better examples of a good final boss, but I wouldn't say an older game can "one-up" a newer one, simply it's already out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Kamina Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Better writing, and not making the next final boss so easy. Even on Lunatic I had a much easier time killing Grima than I did Ashera or Dheginsea on FE10's normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Better writing, and not making the next final boss so easy. Even on Lunatic I had a much easier time killing Grima than I did Ashera or Dheginsea on FE10's normal mode. well it's not like those two get harder on hard mode or anything huh maybe I should start a Lunatic playthrough, people keep saying Grima is a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Naga turns evil and wrecks all of humanity they really don't, Grima's writing was terrible question for you guys: which final boss had the most story presence? I want to say Lyon, but unfortunately he's not the final final boss. However, the demon king possessed him, so by answering demon king, does this mean I also give mention to Lyon...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Kurai Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Lyon/Demon king had a great presence being indirect/and direct as well, I'd say he was a good villian. Grima was...hm....well it was having a good buildup but how near the end...that revelation...wasn't really unexpected. so meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrymsonSkye Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Haha...took me until just a few minutes ago to catch the IS = Intelligent Systems...I just thought it was a poorly phrased question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediabiwan Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Its kinda funny how some of the most powerful bosses die the easiest. Idoun was probably around the same power level as Grima yet she died in two to three hits from Roy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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