CT075 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) that's true, but when there are 8 mages every bit of help is useful yeah idk if it's actually feasible or not; maybe if i tried again i might go for it and it might work out Edited April 9, 2013 by CT075 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Can Lex orko anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 if he promotes he might have a shot at ohko'ing the chapter 4 mages but he probably shouldn't be there in the first place because he gets wrecked by them. Other than that probably not, since you're not getting the hero axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 from memory i didn't need him to orko anything he just had to land a ~70 hit to deal the last 13 hp (or whatever) that the light sword left a mage at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Most of my experiences with LexArthur's training involved VantageWrathEliting the base arena and not actual field combat shit Don't remember when he promoted though it's been more than a year since I've played FE4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I don't really care much about efficiency so I wouldn't know but is Lex getting the Brave Axe so unlikely in an efficient run? Wouldn't the returns on it be worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) I don't really care much about efficiency so I wouldn't know but is Lex getting the Brave Axe so unlikely in an efficient run? Wouldn't the returns on it be worth it? Nah. Getting Lex past the trees would cost like 10 turns, and give you back none most likely. Remember Leg Ring Sigurd does most of the work with his trusty Silver Sword. Edited April 10, 2013 by Olwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Sigurd is pretty much exclusively using Hero Sword by the time he gets the Leg Ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Sigurd is pretty much exclusively using Hero Sword by the time he gets the Leg Ring. Lol. No he isn't. No efficiency playthrough on Nicovideo has him use that. A Silver Sword with a bunch more kills is simply superior to it. Nor is there any reason to use the Hero Sword when the Silver Sword kills everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Hitting 4x times with the Hero Sword does more damage than hitting twice with the Silver Sword. Sigurd misses out on ORKOs against Armours if he doesn't crit with the Silver Sword, and he can ORKO them easily with Hero Sword even without a crit. And then once the Hero Sword gets crit, it's simply better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottlegnomes Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not to mention te hero swor with 50+ kills is probably way better for bosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) sigurd can just take the hero sword once it shows up, there's no reason for him not to, he orko's with it anyway and he only really needs the silver sword for some bosses until the hero sword gets crit. its infinately better, there are some bosses in gen 2 the silver sword misses, so the hero sword is totally worth it. Improves reliability too. Edited April 10, 2013 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 There's a reason why no efficiency playthrough on Nicovideo has him use the Hero Sword. It's just a waste of kills when the Silver Sword is good at killing everything with crits. Can you name situations in which the Silver Sword isn't enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renall Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 There's a reason why no efficiency playthrough on Nicovideo has him use the Hero Sword. Do you know that's the reason or do you assume that's the reason? I've never seen a nico run of FE4 with commentary, although perhaps it existed and I just didn't notice it/couldn't read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I haven't seen the Nicovideo run in a long time, but having crit on the hero sword helps quite a bit on bosses like Langbart who you need two crits on top of his high great shield activation, I'm too lazy to do the math right now, but I'm pretty sure two hero sword crits would do the job, and Ishtar who you wouldn't even need a crit to kill her (and she's pretty evasive as well, the +20 hit helps a lot). I'm sure their Celice had capped speed, but that's more of a luxury, since it isn't too likely to happen, and Cel misses out on doubling some lategame bosses (that I'm sure he OHKO's regardless) but I guess all im really saying now is its more of a luxury than a requirement. But I see no reason not to use the hero sword instead, regardless, and toss the silver onto Oifaye or something for gen 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Can you even get a 50 kill Hero Sword by Langbart? It's impossible unless you get a Hero Sword earlier than Chapter 3. I forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I usually give it to whomever is going to clear out the orgahill pirates in chapter 3, which gets it ~15 kills immediately + whatever else they manage to kill before the chapter ends, then sigurd can use it to clear out the pegasi in chapter 4, and combined with the axe knights in chapter 5, there's almost 40 kills there alone, and that's if he doesn't use it to kill anything else (and he orko's all pre chapter 4 bosses with Strength ring + hero sword, so there's no excuse to use silver). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Unless I calculayed wrong on my phone 2 Silver Sword crits (72% each) do 76 damage to Langobart, who has 75 HP. The Hero Sword has 22 crit and has 2 less might. You need 3 crits in 4 hits, lol. Silver Sword is clearly superior vs. Langobart and I really see no reason to ever use the Hero Sword. I guess Strength Ring would make it even, but the Silver sword is still much more reliable. Edited April 10, 2013 by Olwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Unless I calculayed wrong on my phone 2 Silver Sword crits (72% each) do 76 damage to Langobart, who has 75 HP. The Hero Sword has 22 crit and has 2 less might. You need 3 crits in 4 hits, lol. Silver Sword is clearly superior vs. Langobart and I really see no reason to ever use the Hero Sword. I guess Strength Ring would make it even, but the Silver sword is still much more reliable. you forget great shield. One proc and the silver sword is toast. the odds would still be pretty close, but the hero sword only gets better and better over time. There's no reason for Sigurd not to have the strength ring, Celice wants it anyway. although there's pretty much no point in even debating crits in fe4 ltc, every time you need a crit, its going to happen, and great shield will never proc regardless. Edited April 10, 2013 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) i thought silver sword costed a turn in fe4 ltc Edited April 10, 2013 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 but dude, it saves, like, 50 turns Could someone link the FE4 LTC run from nicovideo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 i thought silver sword costed a turn in fe4 ltc I've seen LTCs with the Silver Sword and without. It's been a long time since I saw one, but I'll look around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Also, IIRC, SS!Celice can't ORKO Brigands and stuff in C6 without a crit/Strength Ring. I mean, if you've been solely using the Silver Sword, its chances of a crit are pretty high, but as far as reliability goes it's not exactly preferred for your main fighter to have a <100% chance of ORKOing generics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 It isn't necessary to kill anything unless they're in your path, and if they are, other units can kill them. Second, Celice has like what, 65 crit per hit with the Skill Ring? Assuming he doubles that's a crapload of reliability right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fir Coat Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 It isn't necessary to kill anything unless they're in your path, and if they are, other units can kill them. Second, Celice has like what, 65 crit per hit with the Skill Ring? Assuming he doubles that's a crapload of reliability right there. I haven't attempted it, but I assume that all of the early kills that Celice can get he should get since he needs to promote asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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