Siegmund Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 why???? There such an awesome class, especially in FE13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I dunno, Aegis is pretty decent (and the class itself is pretty good) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) They are already the best class for almost 12 game straight and is still one of the best class here, especially considering that manly +2 STR, +2 SKL, +2 SPD, and +2 DEF Pair Up Bonus And their class tree involves getting Great Knight with Luna and Dual Guard+, the best(or second best) Offensive Procs in the game, and the second best support skill in the game, which means having Cavalier in your base class sets is an equivalent of hitting a jackpot Tell me how that is not good. Anything more seems overkill, to be honest Edited May 25, 2013 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 They are already the best class for almost 12 game straight and is still one of the best class here, especially considering that manly +2 STR, +2 SKL, +2 SPD, and +2 DEF Pair Up Bonus And their class tree involves getting Great Knight with Luna and Dual Guard+ Tell me how that is not good. Seems overkill, to be honest Oh I know that the class is awesome, but i seriously wish they had a good skill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Aegis > Pavise. You are blocking magic with the BREASTPLATE OF ZEUS. That's plenty cool for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 They are already the best class for almost 12 game straight and is still one of the best class here, especially considering that manly +2 STR, +2 SKL, +2 SPD, and +2 DEF Pair Up Bonus And their class tree involves getting Great Knight with Luna and Dual Guard+, the best(or second best) Offensive Procs in the game, and the second best support skill in the game, which means having Cavalier in your base class sets is an equivalent of hitting a jackpot Tell me how that is not good. Anything more seems overkill, to be honest FE10, FE12? (also technically FE11 is a Caeda romp so....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I actually think of FE5 Basically theres a reason why I put the "almost" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I actually think of FE5 Basically theres a reason why I put the "almost" more like paladins have faded out as of late, in this game paladins get beat out again (that's 3 out of the last 4) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 more like paladins have faded out as of late, in this game paladins get beat out again (that's 3 out of the last 4) I think paladins are a really good class in this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I think paladins are a really good class in this game ingame: Avatar>Freddy Bear, Cordelia/Sumia>other horse units postgame: hell no (maybe good for Chrom though, I guess) so not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) more like paladins have faded out as of late, in this game paladins get beat out again (that's 3 out of the last 4) What...? I think that Aegis and not getting your HP cratered by magic are better than making Dual Guards SLIGHTLY more reliable. Unless you mean something else entirely... Edited May 25, 2013 by Levant Fortner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 IMO postgame Palladin is still amazing because of Pair Up Bonus Of course, its not DF/Sorc etc, but good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) What...? I think that Aegis and not getting your HP cratered by magic are better than making Dual Guards SLIGHTLY more reliable. Unless you mean something else entirely... yes, I mean compared to classes other than Great Knight (i.e. Grandmaster, Sorceror, Dark Flier, etc.) and of course, in FE10 non-Titania paladins sucked and FE12 was the Avatar+pegasus knight show Edited May 25, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Paladins should have Sol. Just saiyan. Aegis is a great skill. Defender is ok but not all that, so i agree that their level 5 mastery could have been cooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 Paladins should have Sol. Just saiyan. Aegis is a great skill. Defender is ok but not all that, so i agree that their level 5 mastery could have been cooler. Yeah I dont get why they switched sol to heroes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Yeah I dont get why they switched sol to heroes dat hero swag alternatively, Gregor/Inigo/Severa are far better than Sully/Stahl and they deserve it more i mean really, Gregor wins this by himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Gregor is on job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) If Palladin have Sol.... Frederick Manly SEED Edited May 25, 2013 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 It seems everyone has mixed feelings about paladins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Defender, while not amazing, is still good and thematic, and Aegis is pretty good. On top of those, Paladin is just a good class in general. I don't see the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Defender, while not amazing, is still good and thematic, and Aegis is pretty good. On top of those, Paladin is just a good class in general. I don't see the problem. yeah honestly, they're not the best class (whew) but they're still relatively good i mean seriously, look at how many classes are garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 the expected damage sustained with Dual Guard+ as your ability scales as c*(0.9 - g), where c is some constant and g is your Dual Guard rate before Dual Guard+. the expected damage sustained with Aegis scales as c*(1-Skl/200)*(1-g), where c is the same constant. for modest values of Skl, Dual Guard+ is preferable. suppose a unit has 30 Skl and 20% DG rate before DG+. with Aegis, you sustain c*0.85*0.8 = 0.68c damage, while with DG+, you sustain 0.7c damage. however, the difference is not large enough to justify the fact that DG+ also works against physical attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 the expected damage sustained with Dual Guard+ as your ability scales as c*(0.9 - g), where c is some constant and g is your Dual Guard rate before Dual Guard+. the expected damage sustained with Aegis scales as c*(1-Skl/200)*(1-g), where c is the same constant. for modest values of Skl, Dual Guard+ is preferable. suppose a unit has 30 Skl and 20% DG rate before DG+. with Aegis, you sustain c*0.85*0.8 = 0.68c damage, while with DG+, you sustain 0.7c damage. however, the difference is not large enough to justify the fact that DG+ also works against physical attacks. too much math although I suppose in a way you're right totally off topic, but it's a shame Anna didn't swap out Rightful God/Aether (what a waste) for Hawkeye/Luna+ (Luna+ can be switched with something else i guess) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinigo Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) Guilty, defender is a lacking skill, I would switch aegis to level five and defender to fifteen any day. Paladins themselves are one of my favorite classes, the lack of armor weakness and lack of flying weakness on a beast-weakness unit is something I really like. Plus jousting at stuff makes me feel like a BA, whatever works for you. The sacrifice in magic they have, although ruining Levin swords, adds to their strength and resistance to make for a strong contender, just replace the Levin sword with a spear and you're good as new. All in all, I love paladins, as far as to leave my one avatar's final resting class as a paladin. Sorry to derail the topic here but what is so good about sorcerers? Nosfertank? Is that really all? Edited May 25, 2013 by SpikyRtG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Guilty, defender is a lacking skill, I would switch aegis to level five and defender to fifteen any day. Paladins themselves are one of my favorite classes, the lack of armor weakness and lack of flying weakness on a beast-weakness unit is something I really like. Plus jousting at stuff makes me feel like a BA, whatever works for you. The sacrifice in magic they have, although ruining Levin swords, adds to their strength and resistance to make for a strong contender, just replace the Levin sword with a spear and you're good as new. All in all, I love paladins, as far as to leave my one avatar's final resting class as a paladin. Sorry to derail the topic here but what is so good about sorcerers? Nosfertank? Is that really all? Waste>Celica's Gale if you have the accuracy+aren't facing fliers also they're tanky even without Aversa's Night/Nosferatu finally, Advance Wars (aka Mire) is always fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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