ShadowSlayer Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'm doing a Lunatic DLC run and I want the best children possible. I've got lots of advice from the community, and I've got these pairings this far: Chrom/Sumia (Already been done, can't be changed) Donnel/Sully Gaius/Tharja Lon'qu/Miriel Stahl/Cordelia Henry/Maribelle Ricken/Lissa Libra/Olivia Fredrick/Cherche Kellam/Panne MaMU/Nowi -I'm fine with not using Gregor in these pairings. I don't have anything against him, it's just that because I'm using DLC I don't feel a huge need for Armsthrift. -I'm skeptical about MaMU/Nowi. I know Nah will be so much better and have Galeforce, but what about Morgan? What does Nowi give Morgan besides the Manakete class, and is that class even good for Morgan? Also, MU has a Magic Asset and Strength Flaw. Not sure if that'll be bad for Nah. So considering the notes above and that I want great children, do you think I need to make any changes to these pairings? I will be completing Apotheosis and this is a Lunatic run. Also keep in mind that I want the best children possible, I don't really care about other things like Support Convos and Hair Color. Thanks! Side Note: I've got so much input and help from you guys about my team and just wanted to thank y'all! Couldn't have done it without you, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Gregor runs better for Gerome than Fred does, since he also offers Berserker, which is a class that Gerome wants. Nowi offers some negative speed and a weakness for Morgan. The class is actually pretty bad since it lacks Brave Weapons. If you're sketchy on doing it, then don't. Nah really isn't worth it. Edited January 10, 2014 by Airship Canon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiac Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Gregor runs better for Gerome than Fred does, since he also offers Berserker, which is a class that Gerome wants. Nowi offers some negative speed and a weakness for Morgan. The class is actually pretty bad since it lacks Brave Weapons. If you're sketchy on doing it, then don't. Nah really isn't worth it. Gregor is better spent on Yarne since it compliments Panne's modifiers better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Just because you -can- do GG over and over to keep up your supply of forged Braves doesn't mean you'll actually want to when it comes down to it, and it's fun to use flashy tomes for training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Plus regalia is a pain to farm even with dlc Sure you can burn through all the name weapons and braves/silvers if you want, but also convoy logistics etc make that an annoyance. Edited January 10, 2014 by Tribute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyron Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Chrom/Sumia (Already been done, can't be changed) I like maribell chrom for a dual support/guard/strike and other stuff pair up lucina and sumia with henry for darkflier but this will do Donnel/Sully this is what i generally do though i've never really utilized the child Gaius/Tharja niore turns out nice, i like her as a dark fleir or the nosferatanker, for the noseferatank have giaus pass down sol Lon'qu/Miriel Gregor gives a far better skill set Stahl/Cordelia great pairing Henry/Maribelle i would use lonqu he gives brady the speed he needs Ricken/Lissa I never know what to do with lissa Libra/Olivia same with lissa Fredrick/Cherche i like vaike for the str boost Kellam/Panne vaike or frederick is better MaMU/Nowi kellam +str -mag, i would go with either olivia or panne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Gregor is better spent on Yarne since it compliments Panne's modifiers better. The idea here is that: Frederick doesn't offer 'zerker to Gerome, Yarne already has it, and Gregor gives it. If you're prioritizing Yarne, then sure Gregor!Yarne, but since Gerome has Dual Support+ which has its uses and opens some options that Yarne can never do, 'zerker access Gerome > Yarne. Since this is the case, for all points, Gregor would be better spent on Gerome than on Yarne, since Gerome benefits more from Gregor than Yarne does, because Yarne already has 'zerker. There's other 'zerker fathers of course, namely Vaike and Henry. [Gerome certainly is not worth wasting MU on: like the Gale-lacking girls, Cherche is a bad wife for MU, but with this case, Gerome still doesn't get Gale. You've downed yourself from 6/3 (which is number of Galeforce pairs/number of double galeforce pairs) to 5/3 gale pairs just to give a support unit more classes when Vaike/Henry/Gregor do great for the job.] (And derp, I didn't notice Vaike was unused. Yeah... Vaike!Gerome-- the +7 STR is nice, and edges out a better niche than Henry or Gregor do, but it's really about that 'zerker access.) Edited January 10, 2014 by Airship Canon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSlayer Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 WHAT?! THE VAIKE ISN'T HERE?! LOL honestly forgot bout him. How bout this instead? Chrom/Sumia Donnel/Sully Gaius/Tharja Lon'qu/Miriel Stahl/Cordelia Henry/Maribelle Ricken/Lissa Libra/Olivia Gregor/Cherche Frederick/Panne Kellam/Nowi I removed MaMU from this completely because I feel that Kellam is perfect for Nowi, and MaMU/Nowi kinda decreased Morgan's value... a lot. I guess he'll be third gen then, unless I marry him with someone else that's first gen? But where to put THE VAIKE??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 On a physical support unit who would like a ton of Str. He gives Berserker to boys and AT to girls, so try to put at least one of those to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelonGx Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) For Gerome being a pure supporter: Vaike/Gregor/Henry 50(Berserker) + 7/6/5(Mods) + 10(LB) + 10(Rallies) + 10(Aggressor) + 5(Axefaire) + 2(All+2) + 2(Tonic) + 17~19(Brave Axe) = 111~115 Stahl/Virion/Ricken(what? 48(Warrior) + 6/4/3(Mods) + 10(LB) + 10(Rallies) + 10(Aggressor) + 5(Bowfaire) + 2(All+2) + 2(Tonic) + 17(Brave Bow) = 107~110 Others 48(Warrior) + 4~6(Mods) + 10(LB) + 10(Rallies) + 10(Aggressor) + 2(All+2) + 2(Tonic) + 17(Brave Bow) = 103~105 You can have 2 more MT for equipping Str+2. You can have 4 more MT for a Barracks boost. For Nah being a pure supporter: Vaike 50(General) + 5(Mods) + 10(LB) + 10(Rallies) + 5(Axefaire) + 2(All+2) + 2(Tonic) + 17~19(Brave Axe) = 101~103 Stahl 48(Great Knight) + 4(Mods) + 10(LB) + 10(Rallies) + 5(Swordfaire) + 2(All+2) + 2(Tonic) + 14~18(Brave Sword) = 95~99 Frederick/Kellam 50(General) + 3~4(Mods) + 10(LB) + 10(Rallies) + 2(All+2) + 2(Tonic) + 17~19(Brave Axe) = 94~97 Others 46(Sage) + 0~4(Mods) + 10(LB) + 10(Rallies) + 5(Tomefaire) + 2(All+2) + 2(Tonic) + 11(Celica's Gale) = 86~90 You can have 2 more MT for equipping Str+2/Meg+2, 4 more MT for a Barracks boost too. For ORKO Secret Apo's pricipal enemy units with 4 hits of Dual Strike: Sniper: 110(Physical) 86(Magical) Sorcerer: 96(Physical) 104(Magical) Berserker(throne): 117(Physical) 108(Magical) Berserker(wave 5): 114(Physical) 105(Magical) Anna: Both 108 Unfortunately Vaike!Gerome has only 116 MT with Str+2 against the Berserker because an Axe-Axe fight limits Brave Axe's MT to 18. So there are absolutely no differences between Vaike!Gerome and Gregor!Gerome for all these purposes. And Nah is always being a nah tier even having a maximized Str father because of no Aggressor. Edited January 11, 2014 by MelonGx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSlayer Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) On a physical support unit who would like a ton of Str. He gives Berserker to boys and AT to girls, so try to put at least one of those to use. Noobish question: What class do you mean by AT? Also, what if I threw Vaike with Cherche instead of Gregor? What would be the pros and cons of doing this? Or maybe Vaike with Nowi for a Nah with higher attack, since Nah probably won't be at the front of the pair, as she'll lack Galeforce, so she won't need Defense as much. Or MaMU with Nowi? But would that be good considering MaMU's asset is Magic and flaw is Strength? And would Morgan be gaining anything good from Nowi? AGH. :/ Edited January 11, 2014 by ShadowSlayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Noobish question: What class do you mean by AT? Also, what if I threw Vaike with Cherche instead of Gregor? What would be the pros and cons of doing this? Or maybe Vaike with Nowi for a Nah with higher attack, since Nah probably won't be at the front of the pair, as she'll lack Galeforce, so she won't need Defense as much. Or MaMU with Nowi? But would that be good considering MaMU's asset is Magic and flaw is Strength? And would Morgan be gaining anything good from Nowi? AGH. :/ AT = Armsthrift Vaike!Gerome has more STR than Gregor!Gerome. Not a big difference [only 1], but it's still there. Both grant Berserker. [Really, that's what Gerome wants out of a father.] You've already been given your answer on Nowi. If you're not big on that pairing, don't do it. The reason people do that is Galeforce Nah, but you don't gain any practical Galeforce out of it over marrying MU to a Galeforce girl-- same yield on Galeforce Couples [6 total/3 double] either way (Actually MaMU/2nd Gen Galeforce girl can run 7 total/2 double if Nah is a real concern for you-- MaMU/Nowi can't do that ^_^). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuvarkz Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 By the way, Apotheosis is pretty much the same on all difficulties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSlayer Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Chrom/Sumia Donnel/Sully Gaius/Tharja Lon'qu/Miriel Stahl/Cordelia Henry/Maribelle Ricken/Lissa Libra/Olivia Gregor/Cherche Frederick/Panne Vaike/Nowi No love for poor Kellam? :( Also someone told me to marry Libra and Olivia - why is this good? Don't see Inigo as a great Magic user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelonGx Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) You can switch Libra to Kellam if you want a Luna access for Inigo. Libra makes Inigo a perfect Nosferatu Tank and a Galeforced Mire user's combination for in-game usage, and Sage for Apo. But his output deeply relies on Vantage/Vengeance which is not so easy to handle as Luna in Apo. Though it's more reliable than Luna in-game. For being a Galeforced support unit, both Kellam!Inigo and Libra!Inigo can do it well. Edited January 12, 2014 by MelonGx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSlayer Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Ok thanks. And does anyone think that instead of Lon'qu/Mirial and Ricken/Lissa, I should switch it around and make it Ricken/Miriel and Lon'qu/Lissa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM ME MARIANNE ART Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Ok thanks. And does anyone think that instead of Lon'qu/Mirial and Ricken/Lissa, I should switch it around and make it Ricken/Miriel and Lon'qu/Lissa? That would be terrible Definitely don't do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSlayer Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 That would be terrible Definitely don't do that D: Ok then. I can tell you know your stuff so I won't do that, but could someone tell me why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 D: Ok then. I can tell you know your stuff so I won't do that, but could someone tell me why? Mostly class overlap. Lon'qu doesn't really have anything to offer to Owain. Ricken doesn't mesh well with Laurent, and doesn't give him the Vantage that he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Lon'qu doesn't have any good offensive procs for Owain (Luna/Vengeance) which he wants to go along with his Galeforce. Ricken does; Luna. Laurent lacks Galeforce but has Vengeance, so will either be a VV user (for which he needs Vantage, which Lon'qu gives and Ricken doesn't- and Owain already has Vantage) or hardcore support, in which case he won't need Luna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSlayer Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 So these pairings are perfect? Anyone think they could be better? (Please don't tell me to add MaMU to them, I already know he's the best parent for anyone and will add him in if I want) Chrom/Sumia Donnel/Sully Gaius/Tharja Lon'qu/Miriel Stahl/Cordelia Henry/Maribelle Ricken/Lissa Libra/Olivia Gregor/Cherche Frederick/Panne Vaike/Nowi MaMU/2nd gen character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM ME MARIANNE ART Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Probably Chrom/Olivia and Henry/Sumia, but I think you already did Chrom/Sumia. It doesn't matter though, Libra/Olivia and Chrom/Sumia are fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSlayer Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Probably Chrom/Olivia and Henry/Sumia, but I think you already did Chrom/Sumia. It doesn't matter though, Libra/Olivia and Chrom/Sumia are fine Yeah I did. So now that I FINALLY have my pairings, what skills should each parent pass down? Don't wanna pass down bad stuff :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Skills with: Chrom/Sumia - [Aether- forced]/Doesn't matter. (I typically pass Tomefaire or Luna to Cynthia, because Dark Flier is her final) Donnel/Sully - [Aptitude or Underdog]/Luna Gaius/Tharja - [sol, HP+5, Zeal]/Luna Lon'qu/Miriel -Vantage/Dual Support+ Stahl/Cordelia - Luna/[Galeforce?] Henry/Maribelle - Vengeance/Galeforce Ricken/Lissa - Luna/Galeforce Libra/Olivia - Vengeance/Galeforce Gregor/Cherche - Axefaire/Dual Support+ Frederick/Panne - Breakers Vaike/Nowi - Axefaire*/Doesn't Matter MaMU/2nd gen character - Axefaire*/[something] Axefaire is passed in these scenarios for Just-in-case. Vaike!Nah has access to plenty of Axe classes, getting that faire from Vaike is kinda helpful. In Morgan's case, it leaves the door open for plenty of her options. Note: You should marry MaMU to one of the Galeforce users, and not Nah. Lucina and Cynthia both will grant Morgan Aether (which is otherwise unattainable) in this arrangement. Reasoning is Galeforce Pairs-- be it either the 6/3 arrangement or a 7/2 set, you're going to want MU paired with a Galeforce user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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