lonelyVoxel Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 This run was filled with RNG screwage, but this guy knew what he was doing. A bit painful to hear was the mis-explanation of some of the mechanics. Yeti makes an appearance about halfway through! Skip to 7:57 for the start of the run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs7tFRkfU34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Where does Yeti make an appearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonelyVoxel Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 He made a donation somewhere around 1 hour in, don't remember exactly where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feplus Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Surprised this run didn't employ fixed RNG. Seems more marathon-safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Probably because what you're suggesting almost required reading off a list of commands, which runs the risk of the making the run take too long. I can't imagine it being very easy to remember off hand and I also imagine one little RN shift could screw things up a decent amount if you keep to the script. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 supposedly it's not that hard, lord raven. i certainly can't reproduce the entire FE6 run from memory, but it gets much easier when you're usually moving 1-2 characters per turn. you can also write your route to minimize RN burns and use as many L switches as possible so you don't have to remember exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I forget who it was, but soon after this run (in the post-marathon stream), a runner did a fixed RNG FE7 run and it went fine. Resetting the game resets the RNG string, so if you mess up, you only have to restart the one chapter. For a speedrunner, it doesn't seem any more difficult than remembering every detail in some 4-6 hour run of a game. I stayed up until 6am to watch Bertin run FE8 and gave up at 8am when he was still at Ch15. I also strongly disagree with the OP, this run was very poorly planned. Yeah, he got RNG-screwed, but he didn't have enough backup plans and he took unnecessary risks that cost him as much as 15 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonelyVoxel Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 I'm no speed runner, but it sounded like, from Bertin's commentary, that if he had more stuff go his way, and it did in practice runs from what I could tell, it would have gone smoother. Chapter 15 was just cruel, though going YOLO on Caellach was a horrible idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 "If only things had gone more my way." This really isn't what you should be banking on in a marathon run. Plenty of games have RNG, but there should always be a backup unless it's so miniscule as to not really be able to waste much time (which this wasn't). There's the FE7 run I mentioned, but also take Gwimpage's RD run at AGDQ this year; he had transfers, stat boosters, and BEXP, so RNG was minimized even though he couldn't have full control over it. He had a small screw-up in 4-1, but covered it immediately. I don't remember if he had any other screw-ups or if anything else went not quite as planned, but if either did happen, he clearly knew how to resolve it. Basically, Bertin chose to do a full RNG run and got nailed for it. I wouldn't be so hard on him normally, everyone makes mistakes or gets screwed over sometimes, but it was also the first FE run at a GDQ event, and it really gave people a bad taste for the series as a speedrun. But, like, it's been over a year, anyway. I've stated my opinion then and now, so I'll let it be at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonelyVoxel Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Here's a TAS speed run of FE8 if you want a more satisfying watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Bertin did a poorly planned run by someone who allegedly didn't practice enough and definitely didn't execute well. His command inputs are so slow compared to other FE runners. He almost got FE eliminated from AGDQ and I can't even fault the staff for it. Now FE isn't really the most AGDQ friendly game to begin with considering its length and all the enemy phases, but it didn't need a disaster like that to happen. If you don't want to get screwed by the RNG, either create proper backup strats or do a planned RNG run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I forget who it was, but soon after this run (in the post-marathon stream), a runner did a fixed RNG FE7 run and it went fine. Resetting the game resets the RNG string, so if you mess up, you only have to restart the one chapter. For a speedrunner, it doesn't seem any more difficult than remembering every detail in some 4-6 hour run of a game.I stayed up until 6am to watch Bertin run FE8 and gave up at 8am when he was still at Ch15. I also strongly disagree with the OP, this run was very poorly planned. Yeah, he got RNG-screwed, but he didn't have enough backup plans and he took unnecessary risks that cost him as much as 15 minutes. Molotov was the guy who did the FE7 run and it was awesome. Gwimpage also did a very entertaining run that was so well planned I can barely remember any mistakes he made. They even spared a few seconds to voice over the Oliver recruitment scene. Staying up through the night was well worth it. Bertin's run really just has no excuse in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) In chapter 14, at about the 40 minute mark he has Seth and Vanessa (both rescuing other units) occupying the same square. I've never seen or heard of this glitch before. How does it work? Edited March 2, 2015 by Radiant Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Get them to S support, and use the 'Sex' menu command. It's a feature, not a glitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorena Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 @Radiant Dragon: Moving 2 Units In The Same Square Basically, when you draw a path for one unit that’s 1 space away from another unit, you can move the cursor towards the impeding unit for one frame, then move the cursor away from said unit while pressing A. This results in both units occupying the same square. Get them to S support, and use the 'Sex' menu command. It's a feature, not a glitch. S support is recommended, but not required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Honestly even though there was a major lack of backup strats and poor execution and whatnot, I still think the biggest problem with that run was him taunting the RNG at the start while explaining why he wasn't going to do a fixed run. Of course it came back to bite him, he had it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonelyVoxel Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Honestly even though there was a major lack of backup strats and poor execution and whatnot, I still think the biggest problem with that run was him taunting the RNG at the start while explaining why he wasn't going to do a fixed run. Of course it came back to bite him, he had it coming. I've started watching more speedruns, Werster mostly, and for speed you can't really set any backups, at least that's how it looks to me. In any case, if you've ever watched werster's streams you'll see that he gets screwed over. Obviously, non-helpful luck-based things happen, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a really bad time for it to happen to Bertin in the original video. However, as you said, never taunt the RNG. There really should have been a prayer session to it before the run started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I've started watching more speedruns, Werster mostly, and for speed you can't really set any backups, at least that's how it looks to me. In any case, if you've ever watched werster's streams you'll see that he gets screwed over. Obviously, non-helpful luck-based things happen, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a really bad time for it to happen to Bertin in the original video. However, as you said, never taunt the RNG. There really should have been a prayer session to it before the run started. There are things that can kill runs, but Werster definitely knows how to adapt for the unplanned. You can have backups. Particularly in these GDQ marathons, when a trick goes badly runners often resort to "time for backup strats." In this situation, if it wasn't a marathon, I imagine Bertin probably would have reset with how badly Str-screwed Seth was. But, well, no-reset run and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonelyVoxel Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) There are things that can kill runs, but Werster definitely knows how to adapt for the unplanned. You can have backups. Particularly in these GDQ marathons, when a trick goes badly runners often resort to "time for backup strats." In this situation, if it wasn't a marathon, I imagine Bertin probably would have reset with how badly Str-screwed Seth was. But, well, no-reset run and all. I'm not surprised by that. Is there a video I could watch that has an example of Werster going to a backup strategy? Certainly. I bet he'd have loved to get the chance to reset. Edited March 22, 2015 by Forceman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I'm not surprised by that. Is there a video I could watch that has an example of Werster going to a backup strategy.I mean, if you watch his Pokemon runs (which I do), the nature of the game on its own necessitates that he's able to think on his feet. He's basically always incorporating some kind of backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I'm not surprised by that. Is there a video I could watch that has an example of Werster going to a backup strategy. i'm pretty sure the GDQ pokemon marathons always use safe marathon strats. when werster's going for PB/WR, he'll use unsafe strats because that's how you get those kinds of times in pokemon speedrunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feplus Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Let's note that one of werster's GDQ runs a few years back did end with random number screwage. Bertin is not the only runner to end a run prematurely, although in this case the RNG was entirely within his control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonelyVoxel Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 I mean, if you watch his Pokemon runs (which I do), the nature of the game on its own necessitates that he's able to think on his feet. He's basically always incorporating some kind of backup. I've mostly been watching WR runs, so I'll have to dig a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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