momogeek2141 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Do you guys think that Mat Block should have priority? I mean it's basically protect that only works on the first turn. But moves like fake out still pass through it, which ruins its main use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookofholsety Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) my first instinct is that it shouldn't since it otherwise has a fair few advantages compared to normal protect, but then i remembered how many holes there are in its effectiveness so... sure, why not? that said, frankly, of greninja's two signature moves i'd be more in favour of water shuriken getting buffed a bit. it has the potential to be great but suffers by being a multihit move on a pokémon not named cloyster, and owing to grenina obviously lacking (and not particularly otherwise wanting) skill link, its damage output is on average pretty fucking awful. smash bros lied to us again :( Edited February 14, 2015 by bookofholsety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) EDIT FIX: Im not sure if its going to make it OP or not. I remember there was a discussion way back then in Gfaqs about how OP a priority Mat Block would be, and its mostly going into a positive route(e.g. pretty damn broken) One FREE TURN is HUGE is pokemon Edited February 19, 2015 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) I personally think that Mat Block has other issues than the whole no priority thing that kill its usefulness (read: the part where it can only be used on the first turn after Greninja's sent out). Edited February 19, 2015 by Levant Caprice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share Posted February 22, 2015 I actually only realized the no priority thing when I was coming up with an anti mega kangaskhan Strat. The first turn thing doesn't matter too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Well, if you can use it outside first turn you can do stupid shit like using DD Salamence on the side, Mat Block DD first turn, and then you get +1 Sal AND an invulnerability once every 2 turn. That would be even more broken than pre-nerf explosion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Well, if you can use it outside first turn you can do stupid shit like using DD Salamence on the side, Mat Block DD first turn, and then you get +1 Sal AND an invulnerability once every 2 turn. That would be even more broken than pre-nerf explosion If you say so. How is Greninja played in doubles?? Edited February 23, 2015 by Levant Caprice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 If Mat block had priority, I'm sure Greninja would be used in doubles for that priority protect. One turn without taking damage is a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 If you say so. How is Greninja played in doubles?? Im going to use best scenario, aka priority and once every 2 turn clause on Why? Because I'm obviously not a good debater, so I make it up by putting the odds on my side of course! First Turn: Greninja and Meg Sal Greninja use Matu buroku, or taunt Meg Sal use DD Second Turn.... +1 Salamence wreck shit. Greninja do whatever Third Turn: Oh wait, ANOTHER turn where I don't need to take damage and can do anything I fucking want Or something like that. Like its almost basically the "Taunter + Boosting Mega Salamence" strats that get Meg Sal banned from the meta, except perhaps better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Im going to use best scenario, aka priority and once every 2 turn clause on If you're going to have both of those on, could you put it on a Smeargle to have two copies of it and keep it up every turn in Triples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Thats actually pretty damn scary Something like Greninja Mega Sceptile/Storm Drainer Smeargle Turn 1: Greninja use Mat Block Smeargle use Single Target Electric Move/Single target water move Storm Drain/Mega Sceptile gets +2 Turn 2:Repet. +4 Turn 3: Repeat. +6 Although i'm not sure if the +2 boost is exclusive to Storm Drain, or its a bug from XY that is fixed in ORAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Turn 1: Greninja mat block and Mega gardevoir skill swaps Parental bond. By then, you don't need anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Or you get Faked Out by Kang 90% of the time This is a terrible move the only effective use I saw was it being paired with a Belly Drum Azumarill. Edited February 26, 2015 by Knife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 These strategies only apply if it had priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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