Moishe Oofnik Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 lol you didn't even tier jamka screw archers right? I thought we already tiered him lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 roddelbad and badney are the worst non armoured characters in the game, they're only better than Hannibal in gen 2. I dunno, I think there are more opportunities where they can actually contribute to the team than assaello, sharlow or pretty much every iteration of corple can. It's probably grasping at straws but a promoted Radney can like actually do stuff in combat in Ch.7 and 9 ... I don't think Corple/Sharow/Assaello actually get to do anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 i actually forgot about DA HITMAN but I guess they're better than him, he's really bad. Sharlow/Corple can still warp people places, and Sharlow is technically a julius killer too. Radney isn't ever promoting in chapter 7 though. I think even promoting her by chapter 9 is pretty tough, she starts with no money and is a foot unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 eh this is kind of just my opinion and likely no one will agree, but i think you should really only rate subs against subs, maybe laylea and sharlow in the normal gen 2 list basically there's never a situation where you'd really want subs, except like over idk jamka tilityu, so you might as well just have the gen 2 list be separated into the list of stuff we actually want and the list of wow we're bored let's do a sub only run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 A sub run tier list would be kind of fun. It would be Celice > Leif > Laylea > Aless > Oifaye at the top no questions, but it would be interesting to see where everyone else fit in. I'm not sure if anyone has played enough sub runs to debate that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Radney isn't ever promoting in chapter 7 though. I think even promoting her by chapter 9 is pretty tough, she starts with no money and is a foot unit. I didn't mean to suggest that she'll be promoted in Ch.7. Just saying that she can actually contribute in that chapter as well as Ch.9 and that she can actually fight once promoted. Imo that's more than Sharlow/Corple will ever do unless you count the Berserk Staff as a 'contribution' for Sharlow in which case he should be ranked higher. Corple/Sharlow 'can' use Warp in Ch.10 and Endgame but you have such an abundance of units who can do that ... I honestly wouldn't count it for much at that point anymore. Lana/Mana, Leaf, promoted Tinny/Linda, Hawk/Sety and Claude!Fee can all do it and if that is the only thing that Corple/Sharlow will actually do I'd definitely wouldn't count that for anything. It's just straight-up superfluous. Just to put it into perspective: In my LTC run I'll have neither Hawk, nor Claude!Fee, nor will Leaf ever actually use the Warp staff and I still won't use Sharlow because Lana and promoted Linda can take care of all Warp/Restore shenangians that need to be taken care of. Everything beyond that doesn't help at all. Sub run tier list would imo be something like this: Celice/Leaf Aless/Laylea/Oifaye/Fin Shanan Hawk/Altenna Tristan/Femina/Linda/Janne Dimna/Buttface/Daisy Badney/Roddlebad Asaello/Hannibal And since Gen 1 and Gen 2 are seperated we might as well have a tier list for subs I really don't care too much about it. Edited April 8, 2015 by Yojinbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) I meant Sharlow can like, actually use the berserk staff with existant magic, not that he just gets it. Although Hawk has enough magic at base + his conversation + Magic ring to berserk the dude too. But I think using Restore/Libro/whatever else is more than Radney or Roddelbad will ever do. Even if they reach enemies, they don't kill them. Your list above looks good, although i'd maybe move Tristan up to the Hawk/Altenna tier, he's better than everyone else in his current tier given resources by a decent amount. Edited April 8, 2015 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 At the same time, he's way worse than Hawk/Altenna so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) At the same time, he's better than Oifaye once he promotes. Altenna's also only around for Chapter 10 and Final, where she's just a unit that can kill things, which is exactly the same thing as what tristan does. Her stats are just better. Hawk definately is quite a lot better though. Edited April 8, 2015 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) I think it's OK to have Tristan in the same tier as Hawk and Altenna. Edit: In a sub only run Altenna is actually the only unit other than Aless and Celice that can take on Alvis head-on. I think that's definitely a noteworthy contribution. Edited April 8, 2015 by Yojinbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Hawk can fight Alvis pretty well. A level 30 Hawk (not unreasonable, considering how much better he is compared to the rest of the subs and staff access) has ~47HP 28 Magic, and 21 Res. With a magic ring and a Barrier ring, he reaches the 70 combined HP/Res threshold needed to fight him, and has 52 attack with Lightning, for a potential 48 damage if he procs continue twice off his very high speed. Lightning has WTA too. Not taking anything away from Altenna though, she still does a ridiculous amount of damage to Alvis. Tristan can tank a hit and do 8 damage a swing with the Silver Blade Edited April 8, 2015 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Alvis doesn't OHKO Altenna? Are you sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Corple/Sharlow give her +5 res right before you fight Alvis, and she gets +3HP from Fin/Hannibal earlier. If you give her a barrier ring too she should be fine Edited April 8, 2015 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Alvis doesn't OHKO Altenna? Are you sure? There's a convo with Corple/Sharlow that gives her +5 res. With a Barrier Ring and her insane HP growth she can survive an attack without too much trouble [Celice is the only unit in sub-only that has higher HP growth]. Aless is still better at dealing with Alvis but he can't ORKO him and Celice will likely be busy getting the Tyrfing so Power Ring!Aless followed by Power Ring!Altenna is the best way to deal with him. It's the only way to kill him in one turn without Celice's help. Though I hadn't considered the idea that Hawk could actually fight him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 POWER RING SHANAN FTW Levin!Sety could technically fight him as well, since the 10 skill negates WTD, but he has to actually get there, and he'll have to eat a 70 might attack and Levin doesn't exactly provide the best defenses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 we're talking about a sub run there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 Its been along time Roughly 15 Days before the thread was active but Now we are back with some new topics Teenys placement and Favals placement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I'd put Faval right below the Swordtwins. Ichival is nice combat and while he's a pain to recruit, he's got a lot of uses in 8 and 9 by sniping Dracoknights. I wouldn't split any of them up because they're all around the same. Lex!Tinny and Azel!Tinny may be able to hold their own in Low Mid because they at least can be salvaged. Others may be in Low right above or below Sharlow. If we're not separating any of the Tinnys, either Low Mid or right above Sharlow in Low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I don't know where exactly I'd rank Faval but he's pretty much Briggid 2.0 aka a powerful combat unit who can overkill mooks but doesn't actually do anything. I can't think of a single scenario where I'd say "Yeah, it's definitely good to have Faval around, he totally makes things easier or more reliable!". He doesn't really do any of that. He's kinda just there. Tinny is OK and shouldn't be compared to the likes of Sharlow. Lex!Tinny has good enough magic to crithax dudes at a time where Lex!Arthur has to resort to using swords. Levin!Tinny and Azel!Tinny are decent enough combat units and Claude!Tinny gets A-Staves upon promotion. If we split up children and substitute units into two different tier lists then Tinny would be on the lower end of the children tier list [so would probably be Faval] but she's by no means bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Faval OHKOs C8 Ishtar. Better than the Sword twins/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Bad availability though. And Hitrate agains Ishtar is shaky anyways (unless Holyn!Faval with Charisma and Leadership) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 There are other Favals aside from Holyn!Faval? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Lex!Faval, Dew!Faval, maybe even Noish!Faval. Holyn is the most popular father, but IMO isn't the BEST. The problem is though, no other pairing is exactly the best either, so IDK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Holyn x Briggid is mainly done for Patty's sake because Holyn!Patty can use the Hero Sword. Holyn!Faval gets a loooooot of HP and skill which is good I guess but he also only gets Pursuit which kinda sucks for an unmounted unit. Holyn x Briggid is a pretty good and balanced pairing overall but that doesn't mean that only Holyn!Faval should be considered. Noish!Faval and Jamka!Faval both have ridiculous skillsets and the former pairing also allows Patty to inherit a couple of Swords. Dew x Briggid is also something that should always be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 for the purposes of this list I think HolynxBriggid is bad because it involves giving Patty a hero sword which is never a good thing. Might as well do a pairing that gives you a better Faval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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