Life Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/800057305693704193 This is me speculating, but it seems like Romney is not gonna be in Trump's cabinet. Shame. Romney would be excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Shame. Romney would be excellent. I don't have anything against Romney, but it would be surprising, since he was against Trump until the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augestein Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I don't have anything against Romney, but it would be surprising, since he was against Trump until the end. Honestly, it's making me have more respect for these people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Honestly, it's making me have more respect for these people. Which people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augestein Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Which people? People that are sticking to their stances regardless of what's happening/happened. It's interesting and making me see them in a different light. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 People that are sticking to their stances regardless of what's happening/happened. It's interesting and making me see them in a different light. That's all.Trump is a huge test for Conservatives. We'll find out who is really conservative and who is just anti-democrat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I wonder if the Democrats will get rid of their super delegate system next election cycle, since giving the impression that a candidate already has the nomination before the primaries even start rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and didn't do them any favors this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alertcircuit Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 IIRC they're not abolishing superdelegates but they're making them worth about one third what they were this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 IIRC they're not abolishing superdelegates but they're making them worth about one third what they were this time. Do you have a source for that? I haven't seen any mention of any changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alertcircuit Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/26/how-bernie-sanders-supporter-convinced-the-democratic-party-to-get-rid-of-most-superdelegates/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/26/how-bernie-sanders-supporter-convinced-the-democratic-party-to-get-rid-of-most-superdelegates/ If 2/3 of delegates have to vote the way their state voted, wouldn't that just make them normal delegates? I thought the point of super delegates was that they could vote however they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Holy Elf Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) I'd love to see them get rid of caucuses as well; they seem extremely undemocratic to me. Regarding Romney and other such people who may have opposed Trump, I'd be fine with them willing to work with him anyway; I don't think doing so is a betrayal of principles. You can have your disagreements with the president but still influence his policy in a good way from such a position. Far better than getting some embarrassment like Steve Bannon. Edited November 20, 2016 by Dark Holy Elf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alertcircuit Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 If 2/3 of delegates have to vote the way their state voted, wouldn't that just make them normal delegates? I thought the point of super delegates was that they could vote however they wanted. That was the compromise. 2/3 of superdelegates are basically regular delegates now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Trump is a huge test for Conservatives. We'll find out who is really conservative and who is just anti-democrat. Trump, for one, doesn't seem to be anywhere near as anti-democrat as the democats are anti-Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Trump is a huge test for Conservatives. We'll find out who is really conservative and who is just anti-democrat. What would supporting Trump mean in this case? Is supporting Trump properly conservative or simply anti-democrat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellen Browning Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Trump is not a conservative in terms of the agenda that has generally been pushed by the conservatives; a return to the good ole days biblical days. But then again, what conservatism means has shifted significantly ever since they started catering to the racists and Christian fundamentalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) What would supporting Trump mean in this case? Is supporting Trump properly conservative or simply anti-democrat? Anti-Democrat if Trump goes against Conservative ideals. Edited November 21, 2016 by Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 democrats in this country are center-right (conservative), so we already know repubs are just anti-dem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Wolf Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 democrats in this country are center-right (conservative), so we already know repubs are just anti-dem. The democrats might not be as left as some countries, but they are by no means right of center. It's part of the false dichotomy of the left-right designation. Both Democrats and Republicans lean towards authoritarianism, but authoritarianism isn't "right", it's a different axis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 The democrats might not be as left as some countries, but they are by no means right of center. They are when it comes to matters of economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 They are when it comes to matters of economy. yep The democrats might not be as left as some countries, but they are by no means right of center. It's part of the false dichotomy of the left-right designation. Both Democrats and Republicans lean towards authoritarianism, but authoritarianism isn't "right", it's a different axis. actually, i think democrats lean social libertarian. definitely not a whole lot, but notably so. progressives make up a fraction of the modern democratic party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Holy Elf Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 As per my comments in the punditry thread, it's pretty difficult/arbitrary to define what "centre" means, at least internationally. The Dems are certainly centre-left by the standards of the average American voter, but might be centre-right in some other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Petitt Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) As per my comments in the punditry thread, it's pretty difficult/arbitrary to define what "centre" means, at least internationally. The Dems are certainly centre-left by the standards of the average American voter, but might be centre-right in some other countries. If you replace the word centre with authoritarian then yes I guess that's right. I fundamentally disagreed with both candidates on terms of veins authoritarians but that might be Becuase I'm a literal centre-libertarian. (What I mean by this is when it comes to issues of left or right, I lean in either direction depending on the climate. However I am always in favor of limitations on government, but unlike anarco capitalists, I still believe in the basic social contract of government.) Edited November 22, 2016 by Emperor Petitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Haven't been here for a while. You know what's frustrating? Having to defend someone that I don't agree with because the claim laid against him is proposterous. I'm talking about Jeff Sessions. Say what you want regarding his policies but as far as I can tell, he's not racist. I don't know if he's racist, he's apparently said some dumb things about civil rights organizations like the ACLU being "unamerican", "communist-inspired" and accused them of trying to "force civil rights down the throats of people" in the past, but even if he's not, he's still a dinosaur dumb fuck for having the opinion that "good people don't smoke marijuana." Edited November 22, 2016 by Tryhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) I don't know if he's racist, he's apparently said some dumb things about civil rights organizations like the ACLU being "unamerican", "communist-inspired" and accused them of trying to "force civil rights down the throats of people" in the past, but even if he's not, he's still a dinosaur dumb fuck for having the opinion that "good people don't smoke marijuana."That was a joke, bro. Calm down.What it means that he simply is against drugs. That's a fair position as long as he doesn't keep me from them in a legal sense. Also, criticizing the ACLU isn't racist or even evil. It means that he has criticism of the ACLU. Would need to look into what the criticism is before I make a judgement call but there is nothing to suggest that he is racist. Especially considering how he legally pushed for the execution of Alabama's KKK leader and almost did it himself. Edited November 22, 2016 by Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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