Alex95 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Earlier today, Dreammix's Justin Sink announced that he had to take down his Zelda Maker project and start again because Nintendo made a claim that he was using their assets. While not entirely wrong, there are plenty of other sites and fans (like that HD Super Mario 64 remake) that get some backlash from Nintendo just by being fans. It's stupid really. As long as neither of us get profit from it, I don't see why we can't make something to show our love for their series. Here's that video Justin did to confirm he's still working on something, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2y9Q706SLA There are plenty of other websites out there (like SF for example) that are built around a Nintendo world or at least use them in part. I don't know, I felt like I needed to rant, but what do you guys think about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Yeah, that is kind of dumb. Although, sadly, it's also understandable, because look at things like Disney Infinity's "Squid Wars." It's blatantly a Splatoon copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted35362 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 i think nintendo is getting like this because theyre almost like the only company that can get away with making their own games without having them on pc or anything. they think of fangames and emulators as like the biggest threat in the world cause they think people will just eventually never buy their consoles anymore i think Yeah, that is kind of dumb. Although, sadly, it's also understandable, because look at things like Disney Infinity's "Squid Wars." It's blatantly a Splatoon copy. squid wars didnt use any assets or brand names from nintendo so its not the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 squid wars didnt use any assets or brand names from nintendo so its not the same thing It's still a blatant copy though. Nintendo would have reason to file a lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted35362 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 It's still a blatant copy though. Nintendo would have reason to file a lawsuit. i dont think thats enough. there was no stealing, and games copy games all the time. theres nothing wrong with it...like mighty no 9 and yooka laylee arent gonna get lawsuits either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Nintendo is dumb when it comes to this type of thing and blatantly shows that they have no confidence in their own games. That's pretty much it, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'm not surprised that something like this has happened, considering what they have already done (removing TAS/hack videos, shutting down that Pokemon party at PAX Prime, the Nintendo Creators' Program, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 i dont think thats enough. there was no stealing, and games copy games all the time. theres nothing wrong with it...like mighty no 9 and yooka laylee arent gonna get lawsuits either Mighty No. 9 and Yooka Laylee do have input from the original creators, though, so that's not quite the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Mighty No. 9 and Yooka Laylee do have input from the original creators, though, so that's not quite the same.I'm not sure that really matters...I'm pretty sure the companies have creative control over the series/franchise, not necessarily the people who were employed at those companies that actually had the most influence over the game designs. Edited November 10, 2015 by Severian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantairu Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 With the Mighty No. 9 and Yooka-Laylee situation, there's a law or something that says companies can't file lawsuits when former employees make spiritual successors to their games. This wasn't always the case, take for example the TearRing Saga "Emblem Saga Lawsuit". Granted, it was kind of the name, but even after the name change, Nintendo still tried to prevent the game from getting released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 With the Mighty No. 9 and Yooka-Laylee situation, there's a law or something that says companies can't file lawsuits when former employees make spiritual successors to their games. This wasn't always the case, take for example the TearRing Saga "Emblem Saga Lawsuit". Granted, it was kind of the name, but even after the name change, Nintendo still tried to prevent the game from getting released. Yeah, but these are all from people in companies. I'm talking about the fans! The ones who don't make a profit from doing something like this. (Usually) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviddo Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Really, this sort of stuff never truly bothers me or gets me upset at Nintendo, it's within their legal jurisdiction and right to file lawsuits against this sort of thing so whatever. I understand why this would upset others though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 With the Mighty No. 9 and Yooka-Laylee situation, there's a law or something that says companies can't file lawsuits when former employees make spiritual successors to their games. This wasn't always the case, take for example the TearRing Saga "Emblem Saga Lawsuit". Granted, it was kind of the name, but even after the name change, Nintendo still tried to prevent the game from getting released.I didn't realize there was a law for situations like that. Thanks for letting me know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical CC Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Well, It's Nintendo so I am not surprised. At least they didnt declare that they will focus on mobile game and gambling machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameAtAll Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I'm not surprised that something like this has happened, considering what they have already done (removing TAS/hack videos, shutting down that Pokemon party at PAX Prime, the Nintendo Creators' Program, etc.) Well, the Pokemon part wasn't so much NIntendo as it was the Pokemon Company. They do operate a bit outside of Nintendo's satellite. You're right on the mark about the others however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 .....there's a law or something that says companies can't file lawsuits when former employees make spiritual successors to their games. And THIS... is not a spiritual successor! https://youtu.be/ggUBb95kSi4?t=2m20s Look at that octorock, and tell me it's not an octorock. Look at that moblin, and tell me it's not a moblin. Even if the sprites were original, it wouldn't change the fact that the game was straight up copying Nintendo's enemy designs. Nintendo had every right to shut it down. I'm glad that the creator is continuing the project with his own character designs instead of stealing from Nintendo. Sure, it still looks like a Zelda rip-off, but you couldn't mistake it for an actual Zelda game now. https://youtu.be/S2y9Q706SLA?t=1m40s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Really, this sort of stuff never truly bothers me or gets me upset at Nintendo, it's within their legal jurisdiction and right to file lawsuits against this sort of thing so whatever. I understand why this would upset others though. Agreed. I never get worked up over this. If I must be honest, I think the thread title is a tad misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 And THIS... is not a spiritual successor! https://youtu.be/ggUBb95kSi4?t=2m20s Look at that octorock, and tell me it's not an octorock. Look at that moblin, and tell me it's not a moblin. Even if the sprites were original, it wouldn't change the fact that the game was straight up copying Nintendo's enemy designs. Nintendo had every right to shut it down. I'm glad that the creator is continuing the project with his own character designs instead of stealing from Nintendo. Sure, it still looks like a Zelda rip-off, but you couldn't mistake it for an actual Zelda game now. https://youtu.be/S2y9Q706SLA?t=1m40s Seeing as the original idea was based on Zelda, he still has the scripts and enemy commands to use. He wouldn't just not use them. He even states in the description for the video that the inspiration is clear. Agreed. I never get worked up over this. If I must be honest, I think the thread title is a tad misleading. I didn't know what else to call it :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviddo Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I didn't know what else to call it :P It's much more accurate to say their stance on "fan games" or something similar, they clearly don't hate their fandom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 People sure do love to overreact to Nintendo defending their franchise copyrights, you know like Square-Enix did with the Fanmade Chrono Trigger sequel and everyone backed SE's choice on that one. Just because its Nintendo people get into a fit lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 People sure do love to overreact to Nintendo defending their franchise copyrights, you know like Square-Enix did with the Fanmade Chrono Trigger sequel and everyone backed SE's choice on that one.I remember this getting a ton of ire from the fanbase when it happened. And the Chrono Trigger DS port attracted far more on top of that just to further prevent the fanmade sequel from coming out. No matter which video game company it is, it will get shit on for making decisions that ultimately violate their copyright. I can understand it but at the same time I don't feel like small fan projects warrant shut down notices. I don't even think they're gonna be losing sales unless they make the game themselves, because for instance with the Chrono Trigger sequel nobody was gonna get it unless they already have Chrono Trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical CC Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 People sure do love to overreact to Nintendo defending their franchise copyrights, you know like Square-Enix did with the Fanmade Chrono Trigger sequel and everyone backed SE's choice on that one. Just because its Nintendo people get into a fit lmao. And also the Saint Seiya fan game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 If anything, non-profit fangames can probably increase the official games publicity... Thus more cash for Nintendo.... At least that's how I see it. alternately, we can all just play Touhou fangames, since ZUN is so lenient about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) People sure do love to overreact to Nintendo defending their franchise copyrights, you know like Square-Enix did with the Fanmade Chrono Trigger sequel and everyone backed SE's choice on that one. Just because its Nintendo people get into a fit lmao. Actually, there were more people getting upset over that fan-made CT sequel getting shut down than there were people supporting SE's decision. Nintendo gets more free passes than most game companies out there. Well, the Pokemon part wasn't so much NIntendo as it was the Pokemon Company. They do operate a bit outside of Nintendo's satellite. You're right on the mark about the others however. Nintendo owns the Pokemon Company nonetheless, so I counted the Pokemon Party getting shut down because of that. Edited November 12, 2015 by BLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) People sure do love to overreact to Nintendo defending their franchise copyrights, you know like Square-Enix did with the Fanmade Chrono Trigger sequel and everyone backed SE's choice on that one. Just because its Nintendo people get into a fit lmao. Sorry, but I would react this way to any company with the recent policies that Nintendo have went with. It just so happens that they are currently one of the worst when it comes to this. I disliked when Square did that to the fangame CT game, and I didn't really see anyone who thought otherwise. I'm not going to defend anti-consumerism no matter where it comes from. Edited November 13, 2015 by Tryhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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