Kaze-Kaze Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 So everyone in Hoshido has two retainers. I understand Kaze becomes one of Corrin's retainers but I'd like to know who is his other retainer with his birth family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Doesn't Revelation prove that everyone is their retainer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roflolxp54 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Gunter, Felicia, and Jakob are explicitly listed as Corrin's retainers. Silas can also be considered one. Flora may be one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCProductions Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Gunter, Felicia, and Jakob are explicitly listed as Corrin's retainers. Silas can also be considered one. Flora may be one as well. This, tho it's worth noting the Royal's retainers share crit lines with the royal they serve, and only Kaze and Silas share crit lines from this group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaze-Kaze Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Doesn't Revelation prove that everyone is their retainer? I wouldn't know I haven't played through revelation yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abvora Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 This, tho it's worth noting the Royal's retainers share crit lines with the royal they serve, and only Kaze and Silas share crit lines from this group. They both have "I'll make this quick", but Corrin doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo OneK Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Felicia, Flora, Jakob, and Gunter are all Corrin's retainers (Proven in Felicia and Hana's A support). Kaze becomes a retainer in his A support, and Silas is basically as close to a retainer as he could possibly be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Kaze and Silas, easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saisymbolic Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) If I were to choose two, it would be Silas and Kaze. Canonically, it is Gunter, Kaze, Felicia, Flora, Jakob and Silas. Gunter is supposed to just be Corrinmui's battle instructor, while the other three are just servants that oh-so-coincidentally know how to wield daggers. I don't know how the hell they ended over-stepping their original positions to become retainers (No, I don't care what the game tells me). I blame Garon. EDIT: Why are Felicia and Flora servants? Aren't they hostages, too? Edited April 9, 2016 by SaiSymbolic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo OneK Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 If I were to choose two, it would be Silas and Kaze. Canonically, it is Gunter, Kaze, Felicia, Flora, Jakob and Silas. Gunter is supposed to just be Corrinmui's battle instructor, while the other three are just servants that oh-so-coincidentally know how to wield daggers. I don't know how the hell they ended over-stepping their original positions to become retainers (No, I don't care what the game tells me). I blame Garon. EDIT: Why are Felicia and Flora servants? Aren't they hostages, too? Don't blame Takumi, blame Garon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 If I were to choose two, it would be Silas and Kaze. Canonically, it is Gunter, Kaze, Felicia, Flora, Jakob and Silas. Gunter is supposed to just be Corrinmui's battle instructor, while the other three are just servants that oh-so-coincidentally know how to wield daggers. I don't know how the hell they ended over-stepping their original positions to become retainers (No, I don't care what the game tells me). I blame Garon. EDIT: Why are Felicia and Flora servants? Aren't they hostages, too? It's mentioned that Gunter specifically trained them in CQC and such, to defend themselves and their liege. Second part: political hostages are political hostages. They wouldn't be useful dead, so why not stick them in sem-productive, basic positions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Gunter is supposed to just be Corrinmui's battle instructor I thought that was Xander. I mean, you are doing a practice match with him at the very start of the game. But I figured that Jakob and Felicia (and by extent, Flora) were Corrin's retainers from the beginning, then Kaze and Silas become additional ones later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saisymbolic Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) According to the wikia (which, admittedly may not be the best accurate source of information), Gunter became a teacher in the art of warfare combat and that the Avatar was his latest student. From that, I can assume Gunter is the one that actually taught the Avatar the in-and-outs of using a sword, while Xander was merely a sparring partner every now and again. Edited April 9, 2016 by SaiSymbolic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I think it's easier to say that both Gunter and Xander were Corrin's battle instructors, but Xander, being the Crown Prince, probably didn't have enough time to fully train Corrin. Also, it's not really strange thay Flora and Felicia are at the Fortress. The Northen Fortress is essentially a prison for Corrin, so why not use that place for other war prisioners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) Corrin has way too many freaking retainers. Six in total. Thats...damn ridiculous. Gunter, Felicia, Flora, Kaze, Silas, Jacob, and its 7 if you count Lilith. Fun fact: Azura has none. W T F, IS. Edited April 9, 2016 by Loki Laufeyson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I would consider Kaze and Silas to be Corrin's primary retainers. Flora, Felicia, Jakob are all technically maids/butlers. Gunter is technically a retainer but given that he's not available for Birthright and most of Conquest he's kinda iffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANRYU Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 If you don't count the serving staff's combat abilities, it's Gunter. His in-game description lists him as one of the Avatar's retainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namarid Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I'm pretty sure Felicia,Jakob, Flora and Gunther are corrin's retainers. Kaze is a bonus from A rank support and is canonically his retainer in Birthright. Silas is just a close friend who is loyal to Corrin not a retainer, it's even mentioned in his support with Effie how he isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Corrin has way too many freaking retainers. Six in total. Thats...damn ridiculous. Gunter, Felicia, Flora, Kaze, Silas, Jacob, and its 7 if you count Lilith. Fun fact: Azura has none. W T F, IS. The other royals probably have a lot more retainers as well, we only see most of Corrin's retainers because he is the main character. Also, Azura doesn't have any retainers because no matter how much the Hoshidan Royals treat her as family, she still is a war prisioner. It would be weird for a war prisioner to have retainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nym Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) EDIT: Why are Felicia and Flora servants? Aren't they hostages, too? They are but they seem to like Corrin enough to be his retainers. The story of Felicia and Flora and the Ice village doesn't really make a lot of sense, if you ask me. Edited April 10, 2016 by Nym Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saisymbolic Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) They are but they seem to like Corrin enough to be his retainers. The story of Felicia and Flora and the Ice village doesn't really make a lot of sense, if you ask me. It doesn't make sense to me, either. Taking the leader's two daughters captive makes sense but the way they handled it was...Eh. It is a reason as to why I like Flora more and wish Felicia didn't exist. Flora acted in a rather logical manner, siding with her own family because she was a captive when reaching the base of the situation. Felicia, just... I can only sigh. The same reasoning could be applied to Corrinmui joining Hoshido but I like Conquest, so sue me, okay? I still didn't really feel much when the thing happened in the Ice Village but, at least, the foundations for character development had been there (even though they were totally squandered). Also, you guys were right. Xander apparently trained Corrinmui, too. I just started over and, during the first chapter, he says something like, "I know I've trained you better than that!" or something to that effect. I still blame everything on Garon and his inability to be a proper villain. All my confusion, doubts and insecurities is his fault. Edited April 10, 2016 by SaiSymbolic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 The other royals probably have a lot more retainers as well, we only see most of Corrin's retainers because he is the main character. Also, Azura doesn't have any retainers because no matter how much the Hoshidan Royals treat her as family, she still is a war prisioner. It would be weird for a war prisioner to have retainers. Who in their fucking right mind wouldnt give Azura Hoshidan retainers that constantly reported back to Yukimura and Mikoto? Like, that is the most dimwitted thing in the world, that girl not having retainers appointed by the nation that holds her hostage, and are loyal to that nation. :| Shes a hostage, but shes also a goddamn princess. Shes basically unprotected, while people like Kagero tell Corrin that Ryoma told her to look in on Corrin every chance she got. H o l y S h i t Azura not having a retainer or two makes ZERO sense and really hammers home what a damned Sue Corrin really is. Especially when other people's retainers are looking after Corrin. omg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquakat Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Maybe I'm just misremembering, but isn't it that the Hoshido kids PICKED their retainers (from families that traditionally serve)? I think I remember it most for Sakura, as it plays a part in her supports with Hana and Subaki? So, if we go with that, then maybe Azura just chose not to have retainers for whatever reason, and Mikoto was too idealistic/pure/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to force any on her. (Though, I do recall something like Mikoto requesting Kagero leave her service and help Ryoma instead? Then again, Ryoma's crown prince, so maybe that was more 'defend the heir' mentality) Idk, I could be completely misremembering. As for the topic... I consider Jakob and Felicia Corrin's 'retainers', with Gunter just being the parental influence and Flora being the awkward 'Corrin thinks she is a friend, but Flora is really just pretending because she is a hostage and bad things would happen otherwise'. Corrin gains Kaze through an A support, but I consider Silas just a close friend, not a retainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I think Sakura is the only one who did pick her retainers out of the Hoshidans. Azama and Setsuna were appointed i believe. (Because Hinoka would never pick those two omg) Not sure about Takumi. If Azura chose not to have retainers, it would make sense due to her secrecy, but you'd think the game would say so. Since the game doesnt freaking say so, its just speculation. Honestly, it bugs the FUCK out of me how horribly people treat Azura in the game. Even the plot treats her like garbage a lot of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saisymbolic Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 No, I'm sure Hinoka picked Azama and Setsuna. I know for certain they mention her seeking out Azama in their support together. Not sure about Setsuna, though, I think it was mentioned in either Saizou x Setsuna or Hinoka x Setsuna or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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