secondworld Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Uh, Knock Off has a base power of 65. That's not very strong at all. Strong moves are 80 base power or higher to me. And you never know for sure if a Pokemon is holding an item. But it is embarrassing. Good players don't let their Pokemon get knocked out in one hit that many times. And If I knew what move to use in every turn, I would've won. I'm not really good, and I will admit that in a few situations, I had no idea what to do, and I just went and picked my damaging move. I don't think I'm as bad as those replays would lead one to believe, but I don't think I'm that much better in reality. There is clearly a lack of experience with competitive play here, don't take that the wrong way, there's nothing actually wrong with that. Knock Off is a very common move, 65 is decent enough power against pokemon weak to it and every pokemon in competitive play is holding an item. That is not an exaggeration. "Good players don't let their Pokemon get knocked out in one hit that many times." is, well, not exactly true. Sweeps happen a lot, that's how things go sometimes. I've been sweeped plenty of times much like what happened in the second battle. You can't let yourself get too upset about these things if it begins to hinder improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Masters Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 All this talk about metagame, and here I am, praying to get Ice Beam so I can spam it :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Knock off actually isn't weak at all. Its the single most powerful straightforward Dark move in the game when it does procs. Starting at 65 BP, and get 50% boost into 97 BP when it knocks down an item. 97 BP is just a little bit below Earthquake Its even more amazing when you consider its a Dark Move. Dark, like Ghost have a notoriously weak move, with the widespread Shadow Ball and Crunch at 80, Shadow Claw at 75. Also overall, Knock off is Top 3 move in competitive pokemon The 3 is Thunder Wave > Scald > Knock Off. With a honorable mention of Stealth Rock. Edited July 9, 2016 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDestr0yer61 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-397550769http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-397553870 I won. 2-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Masters Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 That was such a hilarious and fun match, though :P 10/10 would play again :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Well, I guess we'll all just have to agree to disagree, won't we? I'm aware that in this case, the Pokemon will always have an item, though, so Knock Off is a bit better here. In the games, not so much. Also, I may not be super experienced in competitive battling, but that doesn't mean I don't know some things. Edited July 9, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 Bracket currently looks like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalPoke Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 2-0, 2-0 everywhere. Also Tsunami has replied with ''I may be online later'' but he's obviously afraid of my incredible combat skills that he wants to take advantage of my timezone by battling with me at the moment of the day when I'm tired! I don't know what I'm doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Quint and I should be playing in a couple hours FEAR MY TERRIBLE LUCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Quint Bidoof Squad vs Horace Procrastination Army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessence Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Quint and I should be playing in a couple hours FEAR MY TERRIBLE LUCK I already started a couple of random matches and I've been doing TERRIBLE so far. Falling at the hands of Landorus and Zekrom! But the last match I won it with the power of HONCHKROW so hopefully he'll save me. Btw, let's do our matches right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 WE DID THEM http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-397576497 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-397579592 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-397582498 I won 2-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessence Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 awesome matches horse. would try them again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalPoke Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Funny ones, especially with your commentaries xD Buena partida Quint :v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessence Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 No matter my lolmistake on light screen or the power of HAX, the fact of bringing Ashera down to earth is enough to me! Gracias! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Masters Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Funny ones, especially with your commentaries xD Buena partida Quint :v Is it wrong that I realize you talk spanish because of the " :v " emote, and not the actual spanish words? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalPoke Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Is it wrong that I realize you talk spanish because of the " :v " emote, and not the actual spanish words? :P Nah it's not. But I've seen english people using it, though not as much. :v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoesMad Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) My opponent ignored my PMs and went offline :( /me pings Nym Edit: my name on PS is Gligarbro if that was confusing Edited July 10, 2016 by Lord Gaius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nym Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Had to take a break, sorry. Hey, now that I think of it, how do we even share replays, I'll need to know this once I'm done with Lord Gaius :3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoesMad Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I can share replays! Lemme get online now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nym Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Damn it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoesMad Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-397643107 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-397639476 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-397637005 Me, 2-1 Looking forward to the next bout! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I'm not sure what amazes me more. The fact Horace actually won or that he wasn't the last match to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 i'm not that LAZY Jedi should have rigged the bracket so I could beat you round 1 though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessence Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 awaits eagerly for Shin vs Horace match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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