Prince Endriu Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rinco said: I had 4888 and got back to 19. Probably 49xx Like I said, way out of my legeau. I look at it this way, should I manage to get there its a sweet reward. When I am there its like vacation because I am not competing.☺ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Well that was fun. Faced a B!Lyn, Rein, B!Roy, and Elincia on the two walls map. Didn't think I'd make it, but I did it deathless. Woot! Erika's Drag back actually helped me for once as it allowed her to move out of Elincia's range. Running a no blue team certainly makes some things harder. But I'm not switching in Nowi till I've completed her build. Still need QR3, reposition and hone speed :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilda Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Prince Endriu said: I believe you. Last week was a nightmare for me as well. And thats just tier 18. Think I used up 15 crests during one afternoon. Nothing worked. Called it quits with one win at the end. Gave up thinking I could do it so many +units suddenly showed up. My ike got killed by a cecilia while he was standing on a defense tile. Didnt see that one coming. That was crazy. Next day I managed 3 deathless with regular dueling swords, so I had 4. Felt motivated and after a crest got my deathless, it was tough. Todays run felt surprisingly easier, maybe because I went in with no expectations. Just wanted to get my 4000points. No really, I am still shocked. Staying in tier 20 wont be possible for me, I wont delude myself. Getting there in 8 (9 seasons ) weeks would be an accomplishment for me though. just btw how many points were needed for staying? I had close to 5000 points something like 4980ish or so. I finished this week arena with 4996 which puts me atm at rank 322 (which will for sure go down), i think thats enough to stay again in Tier 20, but i had to use some crest for a deathless run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroi Tsubasa Tenshi Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 4900 used to be the old surefire score for staying in, but with Brave units inflating things (it may go down a bit as time progresses, but the units are good enough that I think some people will incorporate them into their Arena core), seems like it'll be safer to shoot for 4910+. I don't really have good metrics on the threshold anymore, but for vaguely helpful comparison, my 4966 last week was about halfway between #1 and the rank threshold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Endriu Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, Hilda said: I had close to 5000 points something like 4980ish or so. I finished this week arena with 4996 which puts me atm at rank 322 (which will for sure go down), i think thats enough to stay again in Tier 20, but i had to use some crest for a deathless run. How many +units (all pluses combined) did you use for such a result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinite Dreams Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Okay, Arena Assault done! Arena: 4934 - Currently rank 746 in Tier 20. Should be enough to stay in 20. Defense: 590 - 8 wins so far. Arena Assault: 4862 - Currently rank 1050. Should be enough to stay in the top 5k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompero Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Yup, it looks like you won't stay in T20 unless you have a decent amout above 4900. Something like 4920 should do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilda Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 11 hours ago, Prince Endriu said: How many +units (all pluses combined) did you use for such a result? +10 Brave Ike +6 Sonya +4 Tana +2 Ninian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Faced a dragon team with a chunk of merges (+4 total, to be precise). Not sure how it happened, since I dropped Fae for Anna. But that was the battle that made Tana marry me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Endriu Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, Hilda said: +10 Brave Ike +6 Sonya +4 Tana +2 Ninian OK, thanks Had hoped it was a little bit less :). So if it was a struggle for you to stay in tier 20 then I dont know what it would mean to me :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaos Steel Wing Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I find myself getting increasingly bored of the arena. Bouncing between tier 18 and 20 without any hope of improving (staying in t20 just requires far more merged units than I will ever have) and only a very small difference in reward is... not very satisfying. These days I often neglect the arena until the night before where a half-hearted effort is usually enough to advance from 18 to 19 or 19 to 20, and on weeks when I'm in tier 20 I know I'm falling down anyway so I just need to get over 4000 for the score reward... 10 hours ago, Pompero said: Yup, it looks like you won't stay in T20 unless you have a decent amount above 4900. Something like 4920 should do it. 4820 is still my best score from several months ago. Looks like I probably won't ever stay in T20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Fight fire with fire, I say: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilda Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 10 hours ago, Prince Endriu said: OK, thanks Had hoped it was a little bit less :). So if it was a struggle for you to stay in tier 20 then I dont know what it would mean to me :) by hard i mean getting a deathless run, i was ranked like 1500 ish which is way enough to stay in rank 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyCheez3K Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I'm so glad we got loads of crests in the recent past, makes it easy to just not play against many horses, dancers and season baits, they don't even deserve a chance at a defense win from me. That guarantees A) No full scrub Emblem team B) at the very least a maximum of two boring BS units (The unit from the selection and a seasonal unit take up half the team, otherwise the team doesn't get that many points even if it succeeds), and C) my own personal satisfaction. If I can get defense wins reliably without dancer or horsies/fliers, anyone should be able to, but yeah, it's easier the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Speaking of defence wins, I never surrender to dancers, no matter the losses I’ve sustained. It’s a matter of honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroi Tsubasa Tenshi Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I'm just mercenary and let the game pay me off with 50 feathers to not forfeit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyCheez3K Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Vaximillian said: Speaking of defence wins, I never surrender to dancers, no matter the losses I’ve sustained. It’s a matter of honour. You may use disgusting horsies as your defense team, but I can respect that stance on dancers. Though, I'm never surrendering to any dancer, horses, fliers and, of course, B!Cordelia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinite Dreams Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I feel all happy inside when I run into an arena team without a dancer. Hell, even a dancer without WoM is a welcome sight these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, MonkeyCheez3K said: Though, I'm never surrendering to any dancer, horses, fliers and, of course, B!Cordelia. So you don’t surrender ever, at all? That’s pretty metal. Edited September 21, 2017 by Vaximillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyCheez3K Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Vaximillian said: So you don’t surrender ever, at all? That’s pretty metal. If you put it that way.... I guess I don't surrender often, I admit (except on easy teams of AA, to give some people easy wins and maybe helping them out) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLNarshen Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Finally got a deathless streak this season, but required about 10+ crests to do it. Flier emblem went from being an absolute joy to play to being downright miserable since the CYL banner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmender Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) I'm starting to love the Tana+Bike combo quite a lot, they really compliment each other when it comes to taking down Reds/Blues/Lyn. I believe I'm going to support those two. This week I didn't went for a deathless streak but this is my chill week going back to tier 19 which I'm fine with. On Arena assault I got a score of 4118 which is quite low, but the Azura/B!Lyn/Reinhardt (I hate Azura more than the other two, if she doesn't die first I'm screwed) combination is too much for my current units to take on more than 3 times. Edited September 22, 2017 by Alexmender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okigen Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I'm playing arena assault for the first time and gosh all teams are full of Rein and BowLyn. Kinda poor planning, I have just wasted all feathers doing something else, so I don't even have a single raven tome. So probably just rank at the bottom haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korath88 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Improved my regular arena score to 4,818 (thanks, Hector). This should get me into tier 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) On 8/9/2017 at 3:24 PM, DehNutCase said: Merges are worth roughly 200 SP worth of skills. (A typical level 3 skill is worth a merge, some are less, like +3 def, some are more, like Distant Counter, Galeforce, Aether, 2 stat 'blow' skills etc.) Merges increase score by far more than 2 BST---IRRC 10 BST is worth about a merge, in other words, merge score is 'overinflated' by a factor of 5. (You get 1 arena point per merge, which is only 2 BST, but it takes 10 'natural' BST to get 1 arena point.) A Galeforce is worth a Merge over other maxed out specials---because it's 500 SP rather than 300. Same for Aether. (Mind, Galeforce and Aether also cost a merge worth of feathers considering they're 5* only.) Edit: Because score is SP cost based, Legendary weapons are worth half a arena score over other choices, because they cost 400 rather than 300 SP. A single merge, incidentally, is worth around 1 arena point. Same for 200 SP (pre-inheritance cost increase) of skills, 10 BST, or 100? (this isn't certain) SP worth of seal skills. (Fort Res seal is 50 SP of skills, so 2 of those would be worth 1 merge. That said, Seals are so minor in terms of SP that it's hard to tell for sure how much they're worth.) I tried to build a spreadsheet on these assumptions and I used this formula to calculate a kind of rating (not the actual arena score) to compare my units: BST + (merge level * 10) + (overall SP learned / 20) If I build my AA team following this rating, its BH!Lucina+0, BH!Roy+1, BH!Ike+0 & Hector+0 and they get slightly better scores (max 702 708) in arena than my team with the highest merges (Ninian +3, BH!Roy+1, Ephraim+1, MB!Marth+1). It seems I can only compare 5* units, because Cherche 4* +7 would get the highest rating, while she doesn't boost arena score if substituted for Hector. Spoiler Is this method applicable? Do I have to calculate the BST before merges or the BST after merges? Edited September 22, 2017 by mampfoid new score max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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