Am I the only one bothered by the seeming lack of technological progression in Archanea?

[omegaxis1]

2 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said:

Through Hidden Truths, it's always stated as him seeing the future. Well, he's already time traveling to reach them, regardless of when he departed, he'd of course travel to after the fact, so he can more easily convince the trio.

Well, of course, the Outrealm gates are there. My mistake, I was thinking on him using his own power, just like with the time travel, but forgot about him just going through the gates.

Once again, can the Outrealms travel through time? Even if we take The Future Past into account, it's stated right at the beginning that Naga, who we know can allow for time travel, sends them there. If it was just going through a gate alone, that would give credence the gates connect through time as well as space. The Annas would still be bound to the one time plane if not. And again, Annas may know of each other, but unless there's like the Borg with a hive-mind, they'd still need to communicate what they know to each other. What one learns isn't suddenly known to all Annas through space AND time.

Who said anything about war? As you said, the Annas have essentially magic cameras and recorders, but we don't see them spreading the technology, even if to make a profit. Yes, the Anna from Beach Scramble gives away pictures, but that's about it. Can't comment on Heroes and what the Anna there does with the videos, as I don't play it.

Anankos actually said that when his powers of foresight returned, he had seen a distant world. Not necessarily meaning the actually saw the future. Furthermore, he would have had to have entered the world to actually be ready to see the events, but it's clear he only arrived after the fact had passed. Unlikely he would be aware of exactly when to move in otherwise. 

Grima and Naga clearly revealed that they themselves can create their own gates. Naga created the gate or the Awakening children, while Grima created his own to go back in time. So Grima can also create gates to enter new worlds. However, he had the misconception at first that time travel worked linear rather than multiversal, so he wanted to ensure that the past's destiny was not intervened.

Yes, they do. Because as revealed in the Drama CDs, Naga opened the Outrealm Portal herself to help the Awakening children to travel through time. It was mentioned as the Outrealm Gate. 

And you are completely missing the point. It seems rather clear that ALL Annas are everywhere. It is highly likely they all know multiversal travel. Meaning that literally ANY Anna that is in the world of Fates would end up knowing the information can end up going to the other worlds. It needs only be one, and that's it. 

Well, technological advances in regards to war that was being mentioned several times before. And you are correct. They have the magical tech of creating photos, but they haven't spread it. Why? No idea. There has been no mention.But all we do know is that they have created it, but even though we know it could be a booming profit, they are purposefully not spreading it.

[Acacia Sgt]

10 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Anankos actually said that when his powers of foresight returned, he had seen a distant world. Not necessarily meaning the actually saw the future. Furthermore, he would have had to have entered the world to actually be ready to see the events, but it's clear he only arrived after the fact had passed. Unlikely he would be aware of exactly when to move in otherwise. 

Grima and Naga clearly revealed that they themselves can create their own gates. Naga created the gate or the Awakening children, while Grima created his own to go back in time. So Grima can also create gates to enter new worlds. However, he had the misconception at first that time travel worked linear rather than multiversal, so he wanted to ensure that the past's destiny was not intervened.

Yes, they do. Because as revealed in the Drama CDs, Naga opened the Outrealm Portal herself to help the Awakening children to travel through time. It was mentioned as the Outrealm Gate. 

And you are completely missing the point. It seems rather clear that ALL Annas are everywhere. It is highly likely they all know multiversal travel. Meaning that literally ANY Anna that is in the world of Fates would end up knowing the information can end up going to the other worlds. It needs only be one, and that's it. 

Well, technological advances in regards to war that was being mentioned several times before. And you are correct. They have the magical tech of creating photos, but they haven't spread it. Why? No idea. There has been no mention.But all we do know is that they have created it, but even though we know it could be a booming profit, they are purposefully not spreading it.

And what is foresight, if not seeing into the future?

Gates for time travel, yes. But outright world hopping? Not really stated. Besides, it's moot. Even if they can't, they'd just use a regular Outrealm, then travel through time in that new world if they wanted to.

Once again, the time travel capability is from Naga herself (and something Grima can do as well), not something from the Outrealms themselves. If Naga needs an actual outrealm gate, that's still not the same as the gate itself being capable of time travel, only that Naga can grant it the ability to.

Then what's your point? Of course the Annas still need to communicate between each other. And that includes traveling through other worlds. All I say is that it doesn't apply for instantenous information transfer or information transfer through time. Way back you mentioned it could've been someone from the future traveling to the past to spread stories about Nohr and Hoshido bring mythical, hence why CHrom thinks the same. And my point was that Outrealm gates don't connect through time on their own, so it can't be someone from the far future where Nohr and Hoshido are now mythical, talking in the past as if they still were. 

Edited March 13, 2018 by Acacia Sgt

[omegaxis1]

4 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said:

And what is foresight, if not seeing into the future?

Gates for time travel, yes. But outright world hopping? Not really stated. Besides, it's moot. Even if they can't, they'd just use a regular Outrealm, then travel through time in that new world if they wanted to.

Once again, the time travel capability is from Naga herself (and something Grima can do as well), not something from the Outrealms themselves. If Naga needs an actual outrealm gate, that's still not the same as the gate itself being capable of time travel, only that Naga can grant it the ability to.

Then what's your point? Of course the Annas still need to communicate between each other. And that includes traveling through other worlds. All I say is that it doesn't apply for instantenous information transfer or information transfer through time. Way back you mentioned it could've been someone from the future traveling to the past to spread stories about Nohr and Hoshido bring mythical, hence why CHrom thinks the same. And my point was that Outrealm gates don't connect through time on their own, so it can't be someone from the far future where Nohr and Hoshido are now mythical, talking in the past as if they still were. 

There are in fact multiple definitions of foresight. It is generally the act of seeing the future, but he was going out to see the other world, which actually fits into another form of the definition, knowledge gained from looking forward or a reading taken on from a forward point. It would be rather unusual that he would specifically see the future of a single distant world that is not his own, yet miss the cases of things like Marth slaying Medeus, Julia defeating Loptyr, Ike defeating Ashera, etc. If his foresight returned and he was seeing the moment that Grima was being defeated there, that makes much more sense.

It is world hopping. Hell, the meeting of Hubba confirms even more on other worlds as you go to other worlds that end up being maps of past games, which are not only other worlds, but different time periods as well. Champions of Yore is on the map of Talys. There're also Jugdral maps and Tellius maps. Those are the points that the Einherjar are located within the Outrealms and Hubba has Chrom and the others stop them before they cause damage to that world. 

As I just mentioned, the Outrealm gates can connect through time and space. Hell, even Fates shows this as Inigo, Severa, and Owain end up being post Awakening, but they end up going in Before Awakening which happens literally before Robin and Chrom meet. Meaning that Outrealm Portals connect through time and space. Furthermore, Naga creating an Outrealm Portal, she is also using her powers to ensure that the children do have a controlled destination. Laurent reveals that time travel is very tricky and even with Naga's guidance, Laurent ended up coming in 3 years earlier than Lucina. Without the proper guidance and power, the attempt to travel through time would end up resulting in you going far too bad. The Outrealm Gate is something that can be created, but ultimately is a portal through time and space. But it takes the act of the deity to truly control the destination. 

Anna is much like Hubba, where they can perfectly exist within the Outrealms, and Hubba can even lead you to destinations properly. If Annas are able to set up shop, they too have the ability to properly regulate the flow so they can also travel accordingly. Meaning that an Anna could easily hop back in time and spread the story of Nohr and Hoshido. It would in fact be that simple for her to turn the story into a myth. Hell, there are even stories of the Elibe, Tellius, and Magvel series as Chrom reveals, and Owain's dialogue shows. The stories come from somewhere, and what better way than for Anna, the omnipresent multiversal traveler, to be able to spread it. 

This is how and why Chrom has heard of Hoshido and Nohr as mythical kingdoms. 

[SMinairo]

22 hours ago, Acacia Sgt said:

Okay, I read it through it all. I found no direct mentioning as to in which direction through time they traveled... but, Anankos says he saw them defeat Grima through his power to see the future, which is why he sought them in the first place. If that's the future from his vantage point being the time before Fates begins... that should mean it is the past. That's the conclusion I reach, anyway.

There's also an explanation for that, as you know, Anankos travels to the world of awakening after Grima is defeated, and he brings the trio sometime before the beginning of Fates. In the before awakening dlc though, Corrin encounters Chrom before awakening begins, so even if time in different outrealms passes differently, we can asume that when Anankos travels to beg  for help, he is not only traveling to another world, but also the future from that world.

[Solvaij]

I pretend it's in the same world as RD and PoR and say the flood caused the tech regression. Problem solved. Yes I know this causes other timeline errors but shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't worry about it

 

Edited March 14, 2018 by Solvaij

[CatManThree]

It's called lazy writing. Even still it isn't hard to explain why this happened in terms of the writing choice itself.

The reason the game takes place 2000 years after the Archanea games was so the writers could have more freedom to sort of build a new world on top of one that already existed. As for the choice in technology being the same, the game itself was going to be the last in the franchise. IS most likely wanted the game to look like something familiar in setting to older fans since most of the game was supposed to be fanservice. If that makes sense.

 

[The_antithesis]

Well, in real history technology has been stuck for millenia and even gone backwards many times in history. If Shadow Dragon were set just before the Roman era (which had medieval technology), then Awakening would still be (just) before the industrial revolution. The only difference in weaponry would be the occasional musket and possibly more cannons.

Heck, maybe Valm did manage to invent industrial-era technology and that's how they managed to amass such a large army so quickly! The world will never know...

[Emperor Hardin]

1 hour ago, The_antithesis said:

Well, in real history technology has been stuck for millenia and even gone backwards many times in history. If Shadow Dragon were set just before the Roman era (which had medieval technology), then Awakening would still be (just) before the industrial revolution. The only difference in weaponry would be the occasional musket and possibly more cannons.

Heck, maybe Valm did manage to invent industrial-era technology and that's how they managed to amass such a large army so quickly! The world will never know...

Shadow Dragon had primitive motor vehicles and cannons/flamethrowers/lightning rods.

[omegaxis1]

1 minute ago, Emperor Hardin said:

Shadow Dragon had primitive motor vehicles and cannons/flamethrowers/lightning rods.

Not really motor by New Mystery. And Ballistas still exist in Awakening still, but aren't use, probably for gameplay reasons. However, if Cynthia was said to nearly get run over by one, perhaps they did find a new alternative fuel source. Unless it was manually pushed...

As for why the special weapons they used to fire no longer seems to be used either, we heard that to move around they need the oil from the fruit. But what if that oil is also what is used for the sake of using those weapons?