Meteor Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 All this time I was under the impression that Atheism was a belief. Atheism is a belief, a belief that no god exists. That doesn't make it a religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau of Isaac Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 How about YOU get your [religious] facts straight for once? In the book of Revelation, Satan's army has the amount of people to a grains of sand. Most likely a metaphor, but it's meant to say he's got a shitload of people. Head count as in people killed. Why would I give a shit how many people follow them? Which makes Atheism just as much a religion. Prove me wrong but isn't Atheism just living your life the way YOU want to? Without anyone else in the picture, unless they are chosen to be? That is a belief, and there is no way in hell you can prove that to be the way everyone should live life. Atheism is only necessarily the lack of belief in God. If it's a religion, then baldness is a hair color. More later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLSothe Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 ... Why is this topic still going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Atheism is a belief, a belief that no god exists. That doesn't make it a religion. Actually, it isn't. Athiesm is a LACK of belief. It's not believing that God doesn't exists. It's NOT believing that he does. Different things. :D Also, @ The Bible. It can't be credibly used in an argument, because how do we know it's true? It could be a pack of lies, since VERY few sources have confirmed anything more than a couple basic facts. We KNOW historically that there was no great flood which wiped out almost every animal in the world. And on, and on. The Bible basically doesn't count, as it generally comes down to circular logic ("Why is the Bible true?" "It's the word of God." "How can we trust God." "The Bible says we can." "Wut?") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 It's still going because people have opinions and feel they must be made public via this outlet. That's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLSothe Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I find religious debates annoying and pointless after about 12 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I find religious debates annoying and pointless after about 12 pages. Me too. But I like adding to the problem if there's no solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Listen carefully. Everyone. Religion is illogical. That's fact. Don't defend it with logic because Esau and Revan will cheerfully tear you a new asshole. If you've got to defend your religion, do so in this manner:Oh pitiful one, you cannot imagine the power of God. You are blinded by the ways of this world. You will one day learn that you are mistaken and hopefully on that day, you will run to us and become brethren with us, and we will laugh and play and worship together as a people. Except that doesn't defend it. Debate, or any such thing requires logic. I find it ironic that a lot of atheists complain about the church "Tellin em what to do"but I find a lot of Atheists feel the need to force their believes more then religious nutjobs Nice try, and I get this a lot, but I'm afraid that's impossible. We have no beliefs. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLSothe Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Phoenix: You can't just say that. If they're wrong, they'll learn it one day. Saying it now makes you look foolish though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Except that doesn't defend it. Debate, or any such thing requires logic.Defending something doesn't require logic. That's just you assuming logic is neccessary to defend something. To debate and to defend are two different things. If you want to debate something, you tend to need logic, if you want to defend something, you just have to care about it and have the courage to tell other people off or attack them. Snipers are good at defending things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) Phoenix: You can't just say that. If they're wrong, they'll learn it one day. Saying it now makes you look foolish though.That post was me giving them a general defence to use. IT's not the one I use.QUOTE(ZXValaRevan @ Dec 1 2008, 07:23 PM) Except that doesn't defend it. Debate, or any such thing requires logic. Defending something doesn't require logic. That's just you assuming logic is neccessary to defend something. To debate and to defend are two different things. If you want to debate something, you tend to need logic, if you want to defend something, you just have to care about it and have the courage to tell other people off or attack them. Snipers are good at defending things. Edited December 2, 2008 by Phoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 That post was me giving them a general defence to use. IT's not the one I use.QUOTE(ZXValaRevan @ Dec 1 2008, 07:23 PM) Except that doesn't defend it. Debate, or any such thing requires logic. Defending something doesn't require logic. That's just you assuming logic is neccessary to defend something. To debate and to defend are two different things. If you want to debate something, you tend to need logic, if you want to defend something, you just have to care about it and have the courage to tell other people off or attack them. Snipers are good at defending things. Lolno. Well, ish. But it just makes you look stupid. It's like saying you're defending the fact that 2+2=5. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Actually, it isn't. Athiesm is a LACK of belief. It's not believing that God doesn't exists. It's NOT believing that he does. Different things. :D I would argue that they *are* equivalent. Do you believe God exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Lolno. Well, ish. But it just makes you look stupid. It's like saying you're defending the fact that 2+2=5. :DOnce again, I'm not defending anything. You don't know my religion and therefore can't attack it, so I can't really defend it right now. And I'm not defending the existence of God either. I'm just here to manipulated a few elements of the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I would argue that they *are* equivalent. Do you believe God exists? It's a thin line, but it's their. It's usually an argument created by extremists in order to make Atheism look like a religion. The point is, you don't believe anything to be an Atheist. It's the default point of being. And do I believe in God? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I'm not trying to do that at all, not that you were accusing me. My reasoning is that even a default setting is still a belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I'm not trying to do that at all, not that you were accusing me. My reasoning is that even a default setting is still a belief. Not at all. I didn't think that's what you were doing, I was just explaining where that is usually used. I would disagree with that later statement though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I figured that's where we disagreed. To me, it's this simple: Either you believe in God, or don't. There's no point in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 To me, it's this simple: Either you believe in God, or don't. There's no point in between. Yeah, I think that too. I DON'T believe. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Yeah, I think that too. I DON'T believe. :D Awefully perky about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) If you're gonna (not) believe in something, you might as well be passionate about it! Edited December 2, 2008 by Meteor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Passion and perkiness are the same thing? No way. But I see what you're getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I wasn't trying to revise your wording, just add to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Okay... ... ... hm... ... ... Now what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLSothe Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 You shouldn't let the way a person believes change your opinion of them. Just throwing that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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