Espinosa Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Dio vs. Refa begins! Who will emerge as the manliest mayuhn? [spoiler=Rules] - Path of Radiance averages metagame - stat boosters allowed [spoiler=available booster list] 3 seraph robes2 energy drops2 spirit dusts3 secret books4 speedwings2 dracoshields2 talismans2 ashera icons2 statue frags - custom skills allowed (one of each of the following is available; SP limit is 20 for mounts, 25 for foot units and Mist, 40 for dragons) [spoiler=custom skill list] SP Name5 Miracle10 Counter10 Vantage10 Guard10 Gamble10 Adept15 Renewal10 Wrath5 Shade5 Provoke10 Parity15 Nihil10 Resolve - no boosters or custom kills on royals allowed - no Wrath/Resolve on Laguz units of any kind - +4 to all Laguz gauges before start of battle, Shade active until one character is KO'd, Provoke active for the first two turns defending. Nihil/Parity users ignore Shade/Provoke. [spoiler=Stats] Unit HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res acc avo crt Dio Ike 52 26 11 27 28 20 24 22 74 76 13 Oscar 56 26 10 26 27 18 27 14 70 72 13 Kieran 57 26 7 26 27 17 23 12 69 71 13 Marcia 50 23 9 26 28 18 19 20 70 74 13 Rolf 45 25 10 30 28 20 19 14 80 76 30 Refa Ike 52 26 15 27 28 20 24 18 74 76 13 Mist 60 19 26 21 26 33 15 25 75 85 10 Oscar 49 25 10 26 27 16 23 14 68 70 13 Boyd 60 30 3 25 27 17 16 15 67 71 12 Rolf 45 25 10 27 28 20 19 14 74 76 28 Dio's team vs. Refa's team! Dio's Rolf activates Shade! He cannot be attacked until one ally is KO'd! Refa's Oscar activates Provoke! He's in the centre of attention for two defence turns! Refa's Rolf activates Shade! He cannot be attacked until one ally is KO'd! (77) Refa acts first! Choose your character, his/her weapon and target! Edited January 24, 2014 by Espinosa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) YES Finally it is I who is first. Oscar, attack Rolf with your Silver Axe! Edited January 23, 2014 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 [spoiler=see teams here] Dio's team vs. Refa's team! Turn 1. vs Refa's Oscar activates Nihil! Rolf's Shade is nullified! Refa's Oscar (Silver Axe) attacks Dio's Rolf (Brave Bow)! 27 dmg 82% hit 13% crit 26% Sol (83 17 95 31) Rolf receives 27/45 damage! Both parties survive the fight. Stats: Dio Refa Ike 52/52 Ike 52/52 Oscar 56/56 Mist 60/60 Kieran 57/57 Oscar 49/49 Marcia 50/50 Boyd 60/60 Rolf 18/45 Rolf 45/45 Dio acts next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 nihil doesn't affect shade, because shade isn't a combat skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) I'm a bit on the fence on the situation since I think it was defined as such by Espinosa but I'll wait on his feedback about it just in case the turn has to be redone. Edited January 23, 2014 by Woodshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Parity cancels all skills, nihil cancells battle skills, afaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) I'm a bit on the fence on the situation since I think it was defined as such by Espinosa but I'll wait on his feedback about it just in case the turn has to be redone. does shade activate during battle? no. therefore shade isn't a battle skill and nihil doesn't bypass shade. parity doesn't bypass shade either, by the way. mechanically, there is a distinction between selecting a target for an attack and executing an attack. shade affects an opponent's ability to select a target for an attack, whereas nihil and parity only activate upon executing an attack. but right now we're playing with such weird shade/provoke mechanics that espinosa can literally do anything on a whim and it'll fly. so i'm not sure why i bother contributing. Edited January 23, 2014 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 Click the rules in the spoiler: "Nihil/Parity users ignore Shade/Provoke". eod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 there is no point in any discussion if your retort is "end of discussion." i'm out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 there is no point in any discussion if your retort is "end of discussion." i'm out. There's been more than enough discussion on the subject (dating back to like a month earlier). And indeed there's no point in beating the dead horse if you can't handle being disagreed with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Now, now, we don't need a fight. Besides Refa gave enough information about what his Oscar had in terms of skills and added weaponry. I'm not bitter about that part of the rules. Rolf attacks his cloned eldest brother Oscar with the forged Silver Bow! That imposter may as well be a shapeshifting werewolf! Edited January 24, 2014 by Woodshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) [spoiler=see teams here] Dio's team vs. Refa's team! Turn 2. vs Dio's Rolf (Silver Bow) attacks Refa's Oscar (Silver Axe)! 21 dmg 100% hit 24% crit 15% Deadeye (33 35 91 72) Oscar receives 21/49 damage! Both parties survive the fight. Dio Refa Ike 52/52 Ike 52/52 Oscar 56/56 Mist 60/60 Kieran 57/57 Oscar 28/49 Marcia 50/50 Boyd 60/60 Rolf 18/45 Rolf 45/45 Refa acts next. Edited January 24, 2014 by Espinosa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 You fool! He was a shapeshifting vampire! I mean uh...THE REAL OSCAR. Yeah, that. I mean only a REAL OSCAR would hit his brother with a Silver Axe, right? Also he's doing it again. GOOD TIMES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 [spoiler=see teams here] Dio's team vs. Refa's team! Turn 3. vs Refa's Oscar activates Nihil! Rolf's Shade is nullified! Refa's Oscar (Silver Axe) attacks Dio's Rolf (Brave Bow)! 27 dmg 82% hit 13% crit 26% Sol (69 55 19 88) Rolf receives 18/45 damage! Rolf is KO'd! Dio Refa Ike 52/52 Ike 52/52 Oscar 56/56 Mist 60/60 Kieran 57/57 Oscar 28/49 Marcia 50/50 Boyd 60/60 Rolf 0/45 Rolf 45/45 Dio acts next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I just noticed you forgot the Energy Drop I gave on my Oscar to max his Strength, Can you change that please? Anyway, the CRIMEAN ROYAL KNIGHT FIFTH PLATOON CAPTAIN KIERAN is going to shoot that EVIL squinty eyed doppelganger TRAITOR with his Silver Bow, forged with HOT BLOODEDNESS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I HOPE HE DROPS DEAD (then I won't have to worry about Oscar dying). EDIT Also you wrote Brave Bow instead of Silver Bow for the last of my attack against Dio. Sorry, I know it doesn't make a difference, I just NOTICE these things. Edited January 24, 2014 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 [spoiler=see teams here] Dio's team vs. Refa's team! Turn 4. vs Dio's Kieran (Silver Bow) attacks Refa's Oscar (Silver Axe)! Refa's Oscar activates Nihil! Kieran's Sol is nullified! 20 dmg 84% hit 0% crit (59 46 12) Oscar receives 20/49 damage! Both parties survive the fight. Dio Refa Ike 52/52 Ike 52/52 Oscar 56/56 Mist 60/60 Kieran 57/57 Oscar 8/49 Marcia 50/50 Boyd 60/60 Rolf 0/45 Rolf 45/45 Refa acts next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I WILL DO WHAT PKL COULD NOT. Boyd, direct Kieran to the Silver Axe laying comfortably to your words. Then AXE him a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 [spoiler=see teams here] Dio's team vs. Refa's team! Turn 5. vs Refa's Boyd (Silver Axe) attacks Dio's Kieran (Silver Bow)! 31 dmg 76% hit 15% crit 25% Adept (47) (24 34 50) Kieran receives 31/57 damage! Both parties survive the fight. Dio Refa Ike 52/52 Ike 52/52 Oscar 56/56 Mist 60/60 Kieran 26/57 Oscar 8/49 Marcia 50/50 Boyd 60/60 Rolf 0/45 Rolf 45/45 Dio acts next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Adept Boyd huh. That could leave a mark. CRIMEAN ROYAL KNIGHT FIFTH PLATOON CAPTAIN KIERAN will finish off EVIL DOPPELGANGER OSCAR, again with the Silver Bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 [spoiler=see teams here] Dio's team vs. Refa's team! Turn 6. vs Dio's Kieran (Silver Bow) attacks Refa's Oscar (Silver Axe)! Refa's Oscar activates Nihil! Kieran's Sol is nullified! 20 dmg 84% hit 0% crit (5 0 10) Oscar receives 8/49 damage! Oscar is KO'd! Dio Refa Ike 52/52 Ike 52/52 Oscar 56/56 Mist 60/60 Kieran 26/57 Oscar 0/49 Marcia 50/50 Boyd 60/60 Rolf 0/45 Rolf 45/45 Refa acts next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Seems like Oscar Ike isn't as unhittable when they don't have 40 Lck lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I'm thinking about this too much, Boyd hit Kieran with another Silver Axe please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 Seems like Oscar Ike isn't as unhittable when they don't have 40 Lck lol. 40 luck isn't a distinct quality of Ike/Oscar though... But yeah, the maximum stats really does draw a line between early and late joiners in terms of hit rates/dodging without silver forges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 [spoiler=see teams here] Dio's team vs. Refa's team! Turn 7. vs Refa's Boyd (Silver Axe) attacks Dio's Kieran (Silver Bow)! 31 dmg 76% hit 5% crit 25% Adept (50) (51 52 90) Kieran receives 26/57 damage! Kieran is KO'd! Dio Refa Ike 52/52 Ike 52/52 Oscar 56/56 Mist 60/60 Kieran 0/57 Oscar 0/49 Marcia 50/50 Boyd 60/60 Rolf 0/45 Rolf 45/45 Dio acts next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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