The Assassins Guild

[Anouleth]

Hardly.

Anything is a possibility until we discount it. If Weapons ends up dead and I find out Groner killed him tomorrow, I'm voting Groner.

Saying something didn't happen because of low chances is offering yourself up to the slaughter. It's stupid to think that.

It would be great if whenever we lynched, or do a vigilante kill, we did it with a 100% chance of knowing that we are doing the right thing, but sadly, this is reality, and if we sit on our hands and do nothing because any of the hundreds of potential mafia roles 'might' screw us up, we will never get anything done.

[Strawman]

The problem with jumping onto lynching WoMC if Raymond is innocent is the possible existence of a framer. I'm pretty sure two scum would not stake their lives to kill a single townie.

But if they are indeed in pairs, its not to kill a single townie its to keep the other from being found out. Why do we believe WOMC so much? Because Ether supports him. it would only make sense for multiple assassins to lie and make roles that support/prove one another.

but that is only if this becomes worst case scenario after the lynch would this possibility even matter.

[Deliriyum]

##Vote: Raymond

I see no other reasonable options.

[Percivalé]

Wow Core, that was even sheepier than me

[WeaponsofMassConstruction]

I swear if Raymond was framed and I get killed as a result, I will be extremely pissed. Also, Anouleth would be scum for pushing as such, since he's directing night actions too commandingly. Personally, I'd suggest vigging a lurker or a scumread.

[AstraLunaSol]

##Vote: Raymond

/sheeps

Sue me.

I don't really see any other options.

[BK-201]

But if they are indeed in pairs, its not to kill a single townie its to keep the other from being found out. Why do we believe WOMC so much? Because Ether supports him. it would only make sense for multiple assassins to lie and make roles that support/prove one another.

but that is only if this becomes worst case scenario after the lynch would this possibility even matter.

It seems that most are leaning towards lynching WoMC if Raymond is innocent, meaning that Ether will be lynched if WoMC turns up guilty. Anouleth seems to believe that the chances of a framer hitting correctly is slim enough to discredit. For the assassins, it would be a gambit that would pay off if it worked.

[Kay]

It is information the town does not need to operate effectively, but may potentially help the assassins.

Why would Raymond still refuse to roleclaim? The assassins will know his role when he is dead if he does not.

I think this is most likely because A) Raymond is an assassin or B) Raymond is some kind of Unlynchable, or something like that, in which case it would essentially prove that he's town aligned, and no townies would be lynched.

But there's another possibility. Raymond is the spy. I do not know whether the spy would appear to be guilty or innocent if investigated, but I suspect that they would appear to be guilty until Day 7. This would make his police claim true, and would fit his behavior.

OTOH, I think Raymond is smart enough to drop hints of being the spy in order to save his skin. It's smarter than just claiming cop/doctor or something equally cliche.

So, this is my proposition. We lynch Ether. If Ether is an assassin, then so is WOMC, and Raymond is innocent. If Ether is telling the truth, we can safely assume that WOMC is as well. If Ether is town-aligned, he's likely to be more expendable than the Spy or investigator.

So, ##VOTE: Ether.

[Kay]

EDIT to my previous post: I meant that it was likely for Raymond to be innocent if Ether was an assassin, not certain. It might well be a gambit to get at least one of them cleared, if all three were assassins. But I do not think that there is a high chance of it.

[Strawman]

But if Raymond was the spy and we acted off that impulse and voted Ether who turned out to be town, we would have effectively outed(or at least put suspicion on as an assassin target) the spy and killed another member of the town.

This is a sticky situation.

[Kay]

But if Raymond was the spy and we acted off that impulse and voted Ether who turned out to be town, we would have effectively outed(or at least put suspicion on as an assassin target) the spy and killed another member of the town.

This is a sticky situation.

Yes, but at least then the assassins would have to choose to risk killing one of their own, instead of a townie.

[Strawman]

Hmm true. Its unfortunate your insight was not posted earlier seeing as a lot of votes have already been cast.

Also, when the heck does this phase end? Its been going on forever it seems.

[Radiant Dragon]

I've been worried about Raymond being the Spy (it would explain why he didn't claim), but it's simply too late to do anything about it since the phase ends in a little over six hours (which happens to be at 3:00 A.M. where I live...).

I don't want to lynch Ether or WoMC yet though, since if Raymond is the Spy it's very possible that he does turn up guilty when investigated, and they could be townies simply trying to lynch a scum that turned up guilty.

[GR8MasterGab96]

Groner, though, I have a new respect for you.

Why thank you!

Why would Raymond still refuse to roleclaim? The assassins will know his role when he is dead if he does not.

I think this is most likely because A) Raymond is an assassin or B) Raymond is some kind of Unlynchable, or something like that, in which case it would essentially prove that he's town aligned, and no townies would be lynched.

But there's another possibility. Raymond is the spy. I do not know whether the spy would appear to be guilty or innocent if investigated, but I suspect that they would appear to be guilty until Day 7. This would make his police claim true, and would fit his behavior.

OTOH, I think Raymond is smart enough to drop hints of being the spy in order to save his skin. It's smarter than just claiming cop/doctor or something equally cliche.

So, this is my proposition. We lynch Ether. If Ether is an assassin, then so is WOMC, and Raymond is innocent. If Ether is telling the truth, we can safely assume that WOMC is as well. If Ether is town-aligned, he's likely to be more expendable than the Spy or investigator.

So, ##VOTE: Ether.

Mmm... That's actually not a bad plan. But I think lynching Raymond is better.

[Deliriyum]

Wow Core, that was even sheepier than me

I'm typically not paranoid over whether I look sheepy or not, I just play.

[Scarlet]

Protip: You guys seriously need to learn the basic grasp of reading comprehension instead of blaming me for not claiming when I just did. Here, I'll even quote it for your convenience:

I'm the world's most epic cop vigilante cop doctor cop bomb cop tracker cop watcher cop townie. I can help the town with my epic deduction skills. At your service.

Bolded for your convenience. I'm not the doctor, I'm not the spy, I'm absolutely nothing but a regular townie.

FOS at the entire town for being stupid

[Percivalé]

It's easy for mafia to claim townie, silly. You sound really convincing, though. It's really confusing.

Weapons, I may have to read back, but have you considered the possibility that you're an insane cop, if you're telling the truth? If this hasn't already been mentioned/refuted/disputed/completely disproved or whatever, since I haven't read all the way through yet! It's just something I'd like to throw out there.

... Also, I'm inclined to believe Groner's telling the truth. Just saying. <___< His role isn't impossible.

[Tables]

Day's ended, this was the first post of evening phase.

Raymond has been lynched (surprise!). Flavour will come when I can be bothered to write it. AKA... in the next 15 minutes or so? Maybe later.

[Percivalé]

Ololol

hi Tables~

[Tables]

I watched as the people began accusing each other, as my son paced around the crowd as well, not even seeing me through my disguise, and watching everyone placing the blame on what had happened at each other’s feet... I chuckled as one came forward and directly blamed another, Raymond a.k.a. Reena Momaya, of being an assassin. Perhaps the man was an assassin, perhaps he did have evidence... I unfortunately don’t know, but he was believed, and the sheriff was lynched. A good day for us... we are still outnumbered 13 to 8, or perhaps 14 to 7 if the Master’s assumption of a spy was right, but soon, I’ll kill everyone for what they did. After all, they deserve it.

It’s ironic... they want me dead for trying to kill them, but so far, they’ve killed as many of their own as we have.

The coroner’s report on Reena Momaya has come back recently. This is what they’ve concluded:

Dear Raymond,

You are Reena Momaya, the Sheriff

Brought up as a fighter, you’ve always been able to defend yourself - and others - on the streets. As you grew up, you eventually opened a gym in New Novo, in a traditional oriental style, decorated with many valuable statues you’d invested in. During that one of the best fighters you’d ever met joined you, but she left many years ago. While you think she could easily take care of herself, you were concerned for her, and gave up your gym to join the police with the hope of finding her and applying the new skills you’d learnt.

Now, your life is on the line, thanks to your work with shutting down Povidevin Incorporated. You might be able to take care of yourself and others on the streets, but faced with a professional assasin, you really wouldn’t have a chance. All you can hope is that your deduction skills will help find assassins, as going out during the night would be far too dangerous for you.

You are allied with the town, and win by killing everyone allied with the assassins, even if you are killed before that point.

It is now Night phase. If you have night orders, now is the time to send them (obviously)

It might also be a good time to point out you can still talk in the night if you so wish.

Night phase ends at 5:20pm GMT on Wednesday. That's about 12:20pm on the US east coast, 9:20am on the west coast.

Edit: Oh, Votals. I'll post them in a second. It wasn't close though.

Edited November 15, 2010 by I Eat Tables

[Tables]

Votals:

Raymond (13): Anouleth, ALS, BK-201, Dickpickle, Ether, Frivolidad, (Groner), Groner, Hemlock, (JB25), JB25, (Psych), Raymond, Radiant Dragon, (Strawman), Strawman, (Weapons), Weapons

JB25 (1): (Groner), Psych, (Raymond)

Ether (1): Silent Shaman

Groner (0): (JB25)

Dickpickle (0): Weapons

I think that's all.

[Tables]

Also RULE UPDATE:

Based on certain events and it being generally not too well recieved, I've decided to drop the 'vague role PM' idea, since it's just causing confusion and not really helping the game at all. Therefore from now on, if you aren't entirely sure what your role does just ask and I'll tell you as best I can what you can/can't do.

[Mikethfc]

Possible WoMC theories;

a) Raymond was framed and he's town

b) He's mafia and he framed RogerRabbit Raymonf

c) Insane cop

c seems possible as like I may have already said I would've thought Abel, or somebody from the police force would be the actual cop. Given what IET said earlier about him knowing about as much as I do about military/political matters, (next to nothing,) PTSD would be an easy excuse for insanity which I've often heard coupled with military service.

In which case there is an easy way to test this, WoMC investigates a proven townie tonight. Problem with this is there'a a distinct lack of proven townies and we might not be able to have a public volunteer because of a possible mafia framer.

[riariadne]

... Way to go, guys. We just lynched the real cop. *headdesk*

also, Night 2: Use my imaginary ability on everyone

Edited November 15, 2010 by Luka Megurine

[Radiant Dragon]

Raymond was a Townie, not a Cop. Also, I don't think Groner should shoot WoMC just yet, since there are many other possibilities concerning his actions than him simply being an Assassin.