Paperblade Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Well, I didn't notice til today (nearly 24 hours later), so I imagine others may have made the same mistake >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 ##Vote: SlayerX, Kirsche, zorbees, Paperblade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 You need 5 people I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Yeah, he needs 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 ##Vote: SlayerX, Kirsche, zorbees, Paperblade. Vote? I was unaware we were mass lynching. :P Also, I was right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Oh right yes, forgot. ##Vote: kirsche, Radiant Dragon, Paperblade, SlayerX, zorbees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Huh, didn't notice that... Proto, if zorbees is extremely suspicious in your eyes, why did you yes-vote a mission he's on? =/ I promised I'll answer this question so here it is: Before anyone goes off and talks, that doesn't... actually mean very much, since a spy wouldn't want to reveal themselves with a 25% chance of doing so. I genuinely did not think that the spies would have sabotaged the mission even if they did send one in. Furthermore, I felt that if they DID sabotage it, it would have been to our advantage, because as Joshaymin just said, they would each have a 25% chance of being a Spy in the eyes of the other people, and a 33% chance on the Resistance operatives that participated in the mission. Numbers that are far too high to risk for a Spy, and much more meaningful than the 7.14% or 16.67% numbers that you were worried about. This is THE main reason why I have voted Yes to every mission and also why I have even voted Yes when I wasn't participating but zorbees was. Because I seriously did not care if a Spy was included or not. If they sabotaged it, it was a very dumb move for them (which is why I waited until now to explain myself) and it would make it easier for us to spot at least one Spy. If they did NOT sabotage it, then it tells us absolutely nothing, including information on whether a Spy was even sent or not in the first place. I apologize if that is a very lame reasoning, but I will admit that I'm not the brightest player in Resistance or Mafia-ish games in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorbees Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I am not buying the "spy wouldn't have sabotaged" deal. Why would a spy throw away a mission when he has 3 other teammates to secure 2 other missions? And it isn't like this spy would automatically be known, there would only be a 1/3 or 1/4 chance. The way to win this game is to succeed on missions (whatever side you are on), so I don't think a spy would throw one that is guaranteed away for the potential for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I am not buying the "spy wouldn't have sabotaged" deal. Why would a spy throw away a mission when he has 3 other teammates to secure 2 other missions? And it isn't like this spy would automatically be known, there would only be a 1/3 or 1/4 chance. The way to win this game is to succeed on missions (whatever side you are on), so I don't think a spy would throw one that is guaranteed away for the potential for others. Look at it from the Spies' perspective. Note that the Spies' are aware of each other's identities. Now look at the mission list. Mission 2 and 3 both require 5 operatives. Now, what if Mission 2 succeeds? The exact same team will be sent on Mission 3 and the Resistance will get two victories. Mission 4 will be quite difficult to sabotage, with two fail cards required, so the Spies will pretty much be screwed. Which is why Mission 2 should be the Spies' highest priority. They will do anything to prevent Mission 2 from being a success and this will likely put more than one Spy under suspicion. As a result, Missions 3 and 4 would be extremely difficult to sabotage. And if it all boils down to 6 people in the end, it would be easier for them to win if they previously sabotaged two 5-man missions rather than one 4-man, and one 5-man mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 zorbees, I'm not done yet. Don't leave without responding to my post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 imo Rein has been idling and was the spy, since idle defaults to no and success respectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I am not buying the "spy wouldn't have sabotaged" deal. Why would a spy throw away a mission when he has 3 other teammates to secure 2 other missions? And it isn't like this spy would automatically be known, there would only be a 1/3 or 1/4 chance. The way to win this game is to succeed on missions (whatever side you are on), so I don't think a spy would throw one that is guaranteed away for the potential for others. The later missions are easier for spies though. If we can't figure out any info on spies by mission 3, we may just be screwed, because the spies are easier to find on earlier missions and harder to find on later missions. Throwing an early round can help you benefit if you can win later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorbees Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Look at it from the Spies' perspective. Note that the Spies' are aware of each other's identities. Now look at the mission list. Mission 2 and 3 both require 5 operatives. Now, what if Mission 2 succeeds? The exact same team will be sent on Mission 3 and the Resistance will get two victories. Mission 4 will be quite difficult to sabotage, with two fail cards required, so the Spies will pretty much be screwed. Which is why Mission 2 should be the Spies' highest priority. They will do anything to prevent Mission 2 from being a success and this will likely put more than one Spy under suspicion. As a result, Missions 3 and 4 would be extremely difficult to sabotage. And if it all boils down to 6 people in the end, it would be easier for them to win if they previously sabotaged two 5-man missions rather than one 4-man, and one 5-man mission. Mission 2 isn't incredibly likely to succeed if Mission 1 fails. If mission 1 fails, even if the spy is known, which shouldn't happen unless the spy is a complete moron, you have 3 cleaned resistance and 1 known spy, and 7 unknowns. 3 out of the 7 unknowns are spies, so, mathematically speaking, there is a 67.35% chance that Mission 2 has at least one spy on it, when you need two out of the 7 unknowns on the mission. Now, I recognize that the Reinfliche = idling spy possibility is there, but I suppose that is why Reinfliche wasn't on this proposed mission team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Finally Mission 2 isn't incredibly likely to succeed if Mission 1 fails. If mission 1 fails, even if the spy is known, which shouldn't happen unless the spy is a complete moron, you have 3 cleaned resistance and 1 known spy, and 7 unknowns. 3 out of the 7 unknowns are spies, so, mathematically speaking, there is a 67.35% chance that Mission 2 has at least one spy on it, when you need two out of the 7 unknowns on the mission. Now, I recognize that the Reinfliche = idling spy possibility is there, but I suppose that is why Reinfliche wasn't on this proposed mission team. And I agree with every single thing you just said. You have just given us another very good reason why the Spies won't sabotage the mission. And that would be to make people like you THINK that Spies would have sabotaged the mission if they could have, thus cutting your suspicion of the group that executed the mission without sabotaging it. Oh, wait, I noticed you're among the group that went through yourself. It sure explains why you're trying so hard to convince us that only an idiot spy would pass up the chance to ruin Mission 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorbees Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 yes because clearly a spy would play this aggressively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm gonna be crazy and say I'm available to sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm pretty sure Rebels default to Support mission, so it sounds a bit like we're going crazy over nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm pretty sure Rebels default to Support mission, so it sounds a bit like we're going crazy over nothing. If that were the case everyone would just idle to get cleared :/ You must have everyone supposrt mission by default, otherwise it'd become very resistnce sided i'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 ClipseyKitty subs in for Luka M (inactivity) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I wonder if Rein's inactivity has to do with his busted laptop, or maybe he's just trolling us. I haven't seen him anywhere though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Busted laptops have a tendency to cause inactivity, true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Hey everyone~! I'll try to be more active than Rein, but I've got my own game to run. So. . .what's going on now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 You need to approve/disapprove my suggested team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Ah, thanks! I'll read this when it isn't past midnight. I want to see WTF is going on when I'm more awake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Actually wait, why do people think Rein is a spy again? //derpface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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