Paperblade Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 My failures are just failures.I do not know why there is 2 types. I just know they are somehow different. And that haze type is rarer Surely your role has some reason it would randomly fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Correction: Kay confirmed for reaction testing someone who just sheeped, and hadn't done much of note before. Feel like giving me an reason why it wasn't justified? speaking of people who sheep and aren't contributing, how about the fucker who voted literally in the post right after mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Holy fuck, I didn't even change my vote to you (fuck, that post was literally word for word something I posted on the first page before Proto had even posted) and you're getting defensive. My point is that "I think Sho is town because he argued against Kaoz being lynched." This implies that you think NOT WANTING TO LYNCH KAOZ is a town move and listing it as opposed to something else Sho did is your primary reason for thinking Sho is town (as opposed to him softclaiming things all game). But then you immediately voted someone that also did not want to lynch Kaoz, which kind of throws that out the window. Your argument for Proto being town is "I think he and Sho could have been arguing to throw us off?" Hey, what about the possibility that Proto was arguing about stupid shit to waste our time? How about the part where his first move D1 was to try to push the persuader's target (Snike) to be lynched on ridiculous reasoning (yes, Snike can explain that)? Paperblade, if there is logic in some of this, clearly I am too stupid to see it. I'm not remotely worried about you suspecting me. I'm explaining my actions because discussion is a good thing, at least from my point of view. Not wanting to lynch Kaoz is a town move, at least slightly, IMO. The lynch is the town's weapon. The mafia would prefer to get a townie lynched, but getting a survivor lynched isn't anti-town, and therefore safer, while still ensuring that the mafia isn't endangered. I'm not saying it clears him or anything. Just that it, and his posting today in general, seemed more pro-town than before. I voted for you not because of your opinion of Kaoz, but because most of your posts had been joking around, going after pointless details, and generally active lurking. As I said before, it was a reaction test. Which worked. You responded to it in a fantastically suspicious way. To...waste...our time... Riiiiight, what exactly does that have to do with mafia? The vote for Snike was clearly not that serious, Paper, while it may mean something, I highly doubt that it's as important as you seem to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Surely your role has some reason it would randomly fail My role fails if my target isnt Ice barrier. Thats all Im going to tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 speaking of people who sheep and aren't contributing, how about the fucker who voted literally in the post right after mine I'm not asking whether you can find someone more suspicious. I'm saying you're suspicious. Don't just point fingers at someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Why so scummy Kay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Why so scummy Kay? How is it that I'm scummy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 just saying paper got it right here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 just saying paper got it right here If you think replying to a pressure vote with a dismissive joke, suddenly posting after that, and then accusing someone else of being suspicious is normal town-aligned behavior... I have nothing to say to that, really. My vote for Paperblade stands, until he replies to post #353, and/or stops acting so suspicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 ... Sho, it's kind of obvious the common failure is because your target isn't Ice Barrier, and the rare is because you got hooked or some shit. Paperblade, if there is logic in some of this, clearly I am too stupid to see it. I'm not remotely worried about you suspecting me. I'm explaining my actions because discussion is a good thing, at least from my point of view. I never seriously suggested you were mafia. I did, however, suggest your logic was shoddy. Not wanting to lynch Kaoz is a town move, at least slightly, IMO. The lynch is the town's weapon. The mafia would prefer to get a townie lynched, but getting a survivor lynched isn't anti-town, and therefore safer, while still ensuring that the mafia isn't endangered. I'm not saying it clears him or anything. Just that it, and his posting today in general, seemed more pro-town than before. Sho gave off an acceptably town read before other than being an insufferable twat, which is why I pushed for Proto to be lynched. I voted for you not because of your opinion of Kaoz, but because most of your posts had been joking around, going after pointless details, and generally active lurking. As I said before, it was a reaction test. Which worked. You responded to it in a fantastically suspicious way. I did not suggest you voted me because of it, I pointed out that you voted me despite it. You said I'm sheeping when I was literally the first person to suggest a Proto lynch during D1 and tried to pressure him during D1, and you say I'm SHEEPING for voting him again during D2 for pressuring him again? As a reminder, you have a single post on Page 1 (during Night 0), no posts on Pages 2 3 4 5, a single post on page 6 where your only relevant contribution was "I would bet that Proto and Sho are both mafia, and are arguing to cover it up," and no posts on Pages 7 8 (I use 40 posts a page), which leaves a vast vast majority of your relevant posts on this page in this argument. Also, I mad because your logic blows, not because UHOH PANICKING. If you want to see me panicking, ask Sho for logs from Ivalice. To...waste...our time... Riiiiight, what exactly does that have to do with mafia? Did you actually read his argument with Sho? Proto was arguing about Mafia game theory (specifically JoATs and Items) with some bashing of Sho's playskill thrown in rather than anything relevant to the game. It had no relevance to the game, and Haze even pointed out it looked like Proto was getting way too defensive. Keep in mind you are literally voting for me because you think I'm wasting time, I should NOT have to explain why this is a bad thing. The vote for Snike was clearly not that serious, Paper, while it may mean something, I highly doubt that it's as important as you seem to think. The fact that Proto is content on wasting the RVS on bullshit means he is a detriment. All votes I made were part of the RVS. You call it sheeping, but the only way to get any worthwhile information off anyone by pressure voting is for the votes to be an actual threat. A single vote that no one follows up on is literally nothing, especially when you have 5 other people that have the same numbers of votes as you. You might as well not respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Also, speaking of persuasions, is it just me or was no one persuaded today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Keep in mind you are literally voting for me because you think I'm wasting time, I should NOT have to explain why this is a bad thing. Okay, the rest of that is acceptable. Dunno where you're getting this idea. ##Unvote: Paperblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 That is kind of entirely what active lurking is -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 @Paper about my role: It implies there is some special condition for haze type failure. I dont think its hook or something of that nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 =/ I... see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Uh, can somebody please explain why there are so many votes on me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 because you and Sho are annoying but Sho is being more town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Okay, look, the vote for Snike was entirely a joke vote. Even if you assume I actually did think that Snike can explain why he was persuaded, that would be a sign of my stupidity, and has nothing to do with my alignment. Nobody was voting seriously immediately after the game started. My argument with ShoM? He was trying to expose the Thief's abilities so that we could get rid of him, and I didn't think it was a good idea. It would be kinda bad if the Thief was actually Town, and we all started to announce what items were stolen like ShoM did in order to try to get rid of the Thief. Plus, there was nothing to discuss at that point except for the Thief, and I felt it would be better to express my thoughts on whatever goes on instead of remaining silent, even if what I say is not immediately relevant. Oh, and zak, while I never heard of a Mafia idling to get a Doctor to reveal his target as a clear, I have heard of Mafia idling to get a roleblocker to reveal his target for a mislynch. A cleared Townie isn't valuable enough in NOC to miss the opportunity to kill, particularly when there are a large number of players, reducing the likelihood that the Tracker/Watcher will notice them performing the kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Either nobody was persuaded or the person who was hasn't shown up yet. Considering the quantity of silence in this game, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Now, I can see we have a good idea of at least a couple people who most likely aren't scum, but what about said scum? You know what, I'm going to put on the Survey Hat. 1. How many mafia do you think there are? 2. Who do you think they might be? Leave out not the tiniest detail of suspicion. 3. If Sho finds the Ice Barrier/s, what do you think will happen? 4. Who seems like town to you? Personally... 1. Four or five. Leaning towards five. 2. Wen, Strawman, Rothene, and anyone else who's drawing all over the walls with crayon instead of making some attempt to contribute like they're fucking supposed to. Snike encouraging Rein to out himself caught my eye. 3. apocalypse Maybe he gets some kind of kill ability, maybe the Ice Barriers get a little group PM, maybe they get some kind of protection. It's wide open as far as I can see. 4. Paper, Sho and Rein seem the towniest to me. It's pretty hard to get a read on anyone when half the players never even talk, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 oh, and because I don't actually suspect Proto at all ##Unvote ##Say something for god's sake: Rothene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Okay, look, the vote for Snike was entirely a joke vote. Even if you assume I actually did think that Snike can explain why he was persuaded, that would be a sign of my stupidity, and has nothing to do with my alignment. Nobody was voting seriously immediately after the game started. We have moved past that. My argument with ShoM? He was trying to expose the Thief's abilities so that we could get rid of him, and I didn't think it was a good idea. It would be kinda bad if the Thief was actually Town, and we all started to announce what items were stolen like ShoM did in order to try to get rid of the Thief. Plus, there was nothing to discuss at that point except for the Thief, and I felt it would be better to express my thoughts on whatever goes on instead of remaining silent, even if what I say is not immediately relevant. A. Sho even said he did not necessarily think the Thief was mafia B. You were arguing things like "JoAT is awesome, town thief is like a JoAT" C. I never said that what Sho did was smart, but at the same time, your argument with him was inane. There was no reason to bait him into an argument of mafia game theory D. Sho talks more than you and is more open than you without being scummy about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 1. How many mafia do you think there are? 2. Who do you think they might be? Leave out not the tiniest detail of suspicion. 3. If Sho finds the Ice Barrier/s, what do you think will happen? 4. Who seems like town to you? 1. 4 works for me. 2. Sleepy sleepers and Proto seem scummy. 3. [joke] The Ice barrier will form second mafia group because fuck you guys. [/joke] 4. Paperblade and haze for promoting meaningful conversations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 1. How many mafia do you think there are? Four. Five is too much for a 17-player game, and three is too less. Three might be feasible with a Serial Killer, but the lack of deaths in Night 1 implies that it isn't the case 2. Who do you think they might be? Leave out not the tiniest detail of suspicion. I'm suspicious of Reinfleche because he should have been smart enough to not expose the nature of his ability just for revealing a player that is not anti-Town. I also don't understand why Paper wants me to expose myself or get lynched so badly when all I did was talk a lot in Day 1, which is apparently much worse than not talking about anything at all, which is what everyone else was doing. 3. If Sho finds the Ice Barrier/s, what do you think will happen? No clue. In fact, I didn't really get what ShoM's current role did. All he mentioned was something about two types of failure results... 4. Who seems like town to you? ShoM, because I don't think he'd behave the way he did if he was Mafia. We have moved past that. But that was the first original reason why I was being voted for yesterday, and Snike started voting me today to get "back to Day 1 suspicions". A. Sho even said he did not necessarily think the Thief was mafia That was AFTER the huge walls of text. Did you not notice the order of the events? Naggy didn't think the Thief was Town, and I told him that for a Thief to not idle does not necessarily mean that he's anti-Town. ShoM argued against what I said, and he also added statements like how Thief would be bad as a Town role, and that a Town Thief wouldn't have targeted him ("because he's always Town"), which seemed to have heavily implied that he believed the Thief to be anti-Town. B. You were arguing things like "JoAT is awesome, town thief is like a JoAT" You mentioning this point implies that it was a bad point. You may disagree, but I really do think that Jack-of-all-Trades is an awesome role. Even if my logic is flawed, I don't see how this opinion is scummy. C. I never said that what Sho did was smart, but at the same time, your argument with him was inane. There was no reason to bait him into an argument of mafia game theory He said something that I disagreed with. I expressed my disagreement. And there was nothing else to talk about at that point. Posting your thoughts about something that may not be immediately relevant, but might pop up later in the future, is better than not posting at all. In fact, I think posting anything related to the game at all is better than not posting at all (or posting without actually saying anything). The Thief was being discussed, and I decided to join in. And I didn't intend to bait him into an argument. In fact, I STILL have absolutely no clue why he was even arguing in the first place. ShoM was the one who argued with me when I suggested that the Thief could be Town. Given that he didn't actually think that the Thief was anti-Town and didn't mention it until after it was all over, it seems more like he was baiting me into arguing. D. Sho talks more than you and is more open than you without being scummy about it And here I thought my posting was always scummy. At least in your eyes. Also, when does phase end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 1. We have 17 players, 1 is a Survivor... 4 seems most likely for the typical 3/1 town/mafia ratio. 2. Proto, the reasons are well documented through the last few pages. I also concur with Naglfar about all these lurkers, ie. Strawman. 3. Hidden Player Dewdark joins the game. Not a clue. 4. Paperblade, Strider. We really do need more people to start posting, I'm already bad at scumhunting without half of the players giving nonexistant reads. ##Liquify: Proto I see no better alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Oh by the way guys. 17. Psych (via IRC) - Town ???/Post Restrictor, lynched Day 1 (you jerks) Haze confirmed for right about there being more to Psych's role than we saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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