Rapier Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Because Manix was hooked. Either way, should you not flip scum, he dies. Or I die. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I think i'm lost. So manix was watcher then cop and we went from him being most likely blocked to the chances of a mafia safeguard? What? Isn't that abysmally rare? How do we go from a fake claim town side from watcher to cop and not care. They are both strong roles and both tend to get the attention of scum. Did i miss something? Also Just because manix didn't succeed and because we have a town roleblocker doesn't mean that there isn't a scum roleblocker. It also doesn't mean if rapier is telling the truth with his claim. If you are gonna claim, claim who you targeted mr town roleblocker, if anyone, and let the person you target verify it if they can or can't. I myself don't really think there would be a mafia safeguard over a mafia roleblocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I mean, Manix's action didn't work* I targetted Shinori last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 And you didn't block me then? Well. What did you do last night then? Who knew? I'll wait to see if anyone counterclaims (or Rapier gives an answer to the above and someone confirms it) to place my vote on Paper. It's still a possibility that scum!RB exists. It's just more likely that Rapier is town!RB because of Paper's attitude and content on D1. Yes I'm being more careful now, what of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 You targeted someone who has claimed to have a passive role how convenient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 aaaa ninjas Well. Shinori, can you confirm anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I think i'm lost. So manix was watcher then cop and we went from him being most likely blocked to the chances of a mafia safeguard? What? Isn't that abysmally rare? How do we go from a fake claim town side from watcher to cop and not care. They are both strong roles and both tend to get the attention of scum. Did i miss something? Yes. Tracker usually doesn't die on D1, unlike the Cop. Also Just because manix didn't succeed and because we have a town roleblocker doesn't mean that there isn't a scum roleblocker. It also doesn't mean if rapier is telling the truth with his claim.If you are gonna claim, claim who you targeted mr town roleblocker, if anyone, and let the person you target verify it if they can or can't. I myself don't really think there would be a mafia safeguard over a mafia roleblocker. Why do you think so? The chances are even. I suppose Manix can prove his role this Night, now that he knows I'm the Town Roleblocker and so I won't hook him in this phase. He could even prove my innocence, if he wanted, by watching me. But that's if Paper flips scum. Somehow, being protected by a Safeguard that soon seems very very suspicious to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 The problem is, is that I'm rolecop, not fullcop. I don't get alignment, unfortunately. So that makes it just a bit harder to determine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 You targeted someone who has claimed to have a passive role how convenient Why do you think I asked Shinori first if he was roleblocked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I cannot confirm. Passive role as stated by paperblade. I've been suspicious all game of rapier and this just makes me feel even more iffy about him. I debate on voting rapier...except If he is town roleblocker then that won't really help us at all because we won't know if there is a mafia RB or a mafia safeguard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I cannot confirm. Passive role as stated by paperblade. I've been suspicious all game of rapier and this just makes me feel even more iffy about him. I debate on voting rapier...except If he is town roleblocker then that won't really help us at all because we won't know if there is a mafia RB or a mafia safeguard. These things will become clear if Paper is lynched, I think. - Should he flip town: The Safeguard isn't Mafia, I'm probably the Mafia RB and I should be lynched next Day. - Should he flip scum: The Safeguard is Mafia, I'm not the Mafia RB, Manix is also Town for investigating Paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Gotta gather my thoughts. Umm. This isn't going anywhere... Although, given I left my vote on Paper last phase, if he's mafia, and after I claimed Watcher... I think that scum would try and stop me. I'm really starting to think that Paper is scum... Yeah. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 *for most of the phase, I should add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 You're an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 That's pretty much the only reason i haven't voted you rapier. If we vote paper we get alot of info, and we are obviously ahead because of the doc save. But something still seems off to me about it. The entire thing between you and manix seems weird. I doubt you are both scum, but one of you easily could be. Also, ether and Aere need to get in here. So does Elieson. Specifically Ether, I would like to hear her thoughts in specific on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 You're an idiot. Explain. Now. (I don't care who it was aimed at) Your answer determines your position on my scumdar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Scum would have tried to stop you anyway if they had roleblock. considering you claimed watcher. Considering you openly claimed and no one else had, they could have either targeted you or they could have aimed blindly and blocked someone else, and considering watcher can catch someone in kills they would most likely block you if they had a blocker. If they have a SG then it's different, then that could equivalate to paper beinc scum, it's true. But i highly doubt mafia safeguard. Legitimately what do you think the chances are of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I also would like to know a list of passive roles that don't do anything. Imo, you could be either the Bomb, Lynch Bomb or Grandmaster (or however it's called). You certainly aren't Nexus. I need to think this over a bit more. I'll be back later, after I'm feeling better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Explain. Now. (I don't care who it was aimed at) Your answer determines your position on my scumdar. You have settled on the conclusion that I was safeguarded for no good reason when from your point of view you could still have been hooked because it makes me, the person who was at your throat yesterday, be scum. Hence, you are an idiot because you are letting your emotions get the better of you. That is, assuming you are town in which case there is the possibility that you are scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 At this point, it's still a possibility, like it always has. Town!Safeguards aren't that good (see SG mafia), and maf!Safeguards can be a lot more potent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I also would like to know a list of passive roles that don't do anything. Imo, you could be either the Bomb, Lynch Bomb or Grandmaster (or however it's called). You certainly aren't Nexus. I need to think this over a bit more. I'll be back later, after I'm feeling better. Mayor, neighbor, vanilla, Lynch/bulletproof, fool. The list continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 At this point, it's still a possibility, like it always has. Town!Safeguards aren't that good (see SG mafia), and maf!Safeguards can be a lot more potent. We don't even know if there IS a safeguard. You have NO reason to assume there is. No one has claimed it. Also mafia safeguard is overpowered because it basically turns off watchers and doctors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 You have settled on the conclusion that I was safeguarded for no good reason when from your point of view you could still have been hooked because it makes me, the person who was at your throat yesterday, be scum. Hence, you are an idiot because you are letting your emotions get the better of you. That is, assuming you are town in which case there is the possibility that you are scum. Not necessarily. I never said exactly that it was definitely safeguard, just that mafia would try and stop me, one way or another. The fact that I was blocked trying to investigate you after what happened yesterday sets off alarm bells. It just makes safeguard a slightly more likely probability. ps: My emotions tend to manifest because of logical thought. that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Also mafia safeguard is overpowered because it basically turns off watchers and doctors More to the point, not really. They can stop them, but it's not a guaranteed. They get to wreck more havoc on cops, preventing information to be gained on the mafia. Which given that there should be only 2 of them (you said it yourself), it doesn't sound completely out of place here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 What do you mean "it's not guaranteed." Unless the person performing the kill is hooked then the kill will succeed. There is no logical thought here. That's the problem. "My action failed. Clearly, Paperblade had his scumbuddy safeguard him to stop me from inspecting him, even though I claimed Watcher meaning that there was no reason for him to have himself safeguarded and every reason to safeguard his target so that my watch didn't see him going to the kill with the side effect of stopping any other roles such as Doctor." Logically, nothing follows from what your perceptions. You are trying to get me lynched because I was mean to you and you are now trying to slam a round peg into a square hole to make it work. You have still not acknowledged the possibility that you were hooked by FUCKING ANYONE WHO IS A SCUM HOOKER BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED A PR AND THEY DID THAT RATHER THAN RANDING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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