Shinori Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I'm not basing it off of meta. Your waffling, not voting, not giving any real reads, and no putting forth real effort to scum hunt. What about the post directly after that SB? Who was it directed at? If it was directed at me then I refer you to my last post. You should read it because you basically ignored it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 More than 24 hours. It's right under the thread title. Also I still don't like SB. You said you meant me when you were talking about the reads you stated in posts 203 and 204? Does that mean you think I went from null to town from one little thought? Is that the only reason you think I'm town? That's not that good of one. "Scum wouldn't want to attract attention to themselves" Refer to Elie's BCM mini for two scum members that both did just that. It happens in games. What are your other thoughts on me SB? Also SB I would like your opinions on Paperblade and on Aere if possible. Wasn't my last post. Derp. But this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Still directed at you. I haven't been scumhunting because my reads are awful and the few things I do seem to notice are picked up while I'm offline. And I know people aren't basing it solely off of meta, but you yourself said that "scum sb breadcrums teamates roles". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I didn't ignore it, the post above yours has my reads on Paper and Aere. I'm not voting because I don't want Manix to come in, selfvote and then end the phase early draining us of discussion time (he is L-2 right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Oh, so you were talking about Shinori, not Manix. Well, that changes things I guess. Shinori wasn't really in danger of getting lynched, so my theory about those two posts doesn't really work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I didn't ignore it, the post above yours has my reads on Paper and Aere. I'm not voting because I don't want Manix to come in, selfvote and then end the phase early draining us of discussion time (he is L-2 right?) I'm not going to self hammer because that's just stupid. But scum can quickhammer at L-1, sooooo yeah. (Heck, they could do it now, but it'd be stupid obvious) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 @Marth: Opinions on other players? Like, who's town? I would have been peeved if you hadn't put down reasoning, but your post was really well-written, and backed up, despite all the people you find scummy are under scrutiny already, and it would be easy to piggyback off them, so I'm okay with you. I don't believe telling my town-reads help much unless I want to prove someone else is scummier. I've always thought giving town reads helps the mafia pick out their targets. Strawman's post #218 explains my thoughts about Prims and Manix clearly and I wholly agree with him. Also has a point about Scorri, although I find Scorri's response not satisfactory. Scorri: After reading to your posts again, I do realize that attention you were getting on D1 was unnecessary. However, I was referring to stuff like 'Yeah my poke at inactives was a mistake' and ' I concede that I encouraged role discussion, I'm sorry.' I've seen you pull it off before, so I'm not just coming from nowhere when I say that. Furthermore you original reasoning for voting weapons was bad- basing it on RVS activity i stupid when a lot of the players haven't contributed. I would like to mention that Manix started getting flak when he voted Prims for 'not contributing' during an RVS. Also while your recent reasons for voting Weapons were better, it feels like its just finding something more to back it up. However I acknowledge that your other actions have been less scummier than Manix's after I re-read, although I must say I'm wary of you. I'd like Shinori to post some reads, it looks like he's been assessing everyone and I'm eager to know what he has come up with. One-liners are simply not enough, nor are the prods and simple questions. That SB tunneling isn't exactly helpful, surely something in the other players irks you by now? SB your contribution is still poor. Those 'questions' at Shinori look more like a passive-aggressive OMGUS to me. Why do you think Paper is town? Why are you unsure of Aere? Unlike Weapons, who has sorta improved in explaining himself, I can't say the same for you. I agree with Prims that all the focus on Weapons looks like feigning townish behavior but I'd also like to point out that the focus on SB now seems to be like that too. Yes we all think he's active lurking, you guys don't need to keep posting this, that and that about him. Everyone else that I've not mentioned in this post or my last one is either a null read or a town read. Also not really ready to lynch anyone, wish people would say more instead of focusing on one guy and providing one-liners. I do think Manix is looking real bad though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 k so I'll leave this here because who knows what might happen while I'm asleep I'm town deputy. Yeah I got to do stuff last night since Elie died. I scanned Paper and got a town result. take this how you will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I'd like Shinori to post some reads, it looks like he's been assessing everyone and I'm eager to know what he has come up with. One-liners are simply not enough, nor are the prods and simple questions. That SB tunneling isn't exactly helpful, surely something in the other players irks you by now? SB your contribution is still poor. Those 'questions' at Shinori look more like a passive-aggressive OMGUS to me. Why do you think Paper is town? Why are you unsure of Aere? Unlike Weapons, who has sorta improved in explaining himself, I can't say the same for you. Okay well for reads. I have SB as scummie, you as pretty scummy, especially after this post, pretty sure weapons is town. Mixed feelings about paperblade but I'm leaning town on him. Aere is not helping at all and his posts have the vibe of newb-scum to them considering I think he could be playing his first ever game as scum that's to be expected. Null read for the most part on Iris, I'm waffling on her frankly. And the rest of the reads I'm keeping to myself for now. Now to you Marth. You say my SB tunneling isn't exactly helpful yet then you go to poke at him and even mention multiple questions that should be answered yet you say I'm active lurking and all that jazz. Kinda feels like you are playing on both arguments of the Shinori/SB sides here. Marth: Do you think SB is scum? And do you think I am scum? Explain your reasoning's on both please. I really don't like how you have said everyone in your past two posts are either null or town. Who is scum? Seriously. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Marth Yeah, I want some answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 >_> Town Deputy. I'm not sure whether to believe that or not because Deputy Cop can be faked pretty easily by the mafia since they know everybody's alignment anyway. And I also have to question Manix's scan of Paper. He prodded Prims like 4 hours into D2 saying he needed to exist, which implies that he found Prims suspicious even on D1. So why scan Paper and not Prims, who was his strongest scumread? I'll keep my vote off for the moment, but ehhh I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aere Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Sorry I haven't been very active guys, irl stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Manix's claim is easy and convenient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 uhhh Seconding BBM, why would you scan Paperblade of all people? He tends to die early on so not a very useful N1 scan. Bananas, if you're town then you seriously need to scumhunt and vote somebody, like, now. I don't care what Marth said about feigning townieness and etc, unlike with Weapons it's obvious that if people don't shout at you you're not going to DO SOMETHING like you need to. I'm not seeing Marth scum right now? Shinori you look more like you're voting somebody because they said your case sucked. Why's he a better vote than SB from your point of view? Also what's with completely ignoring Manix's claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Paperblade for the sake of Manix's roleclaim's accuracy, are you town and not scum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 As in do you scan like that how do I words If you're scum though go ahead and claim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I scan as town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Manix: Ugh. I don't like that claim. I don't like it one bit. It seems too opportunistic to me, and like BBM said, why wouldn't you scan the person you found suspicious D1... I'm not really inclined to believe this, though I have to say I hope we're not making the same mistake that was made in SSBU.... However, I'm not going to vote Manix yet for reasons of quickhammer stated above. We still have time left in this phase, I would like to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I don't believe Manix's claim due to how easy it would be to fake if he was scum. And if he's town and he's faking it then he's being dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 SB, what about the possibility that Manix isn't lying about his role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I feel he's been scummy so I'm going to vote him nearer to the deadline. Of course I don't want a repeat of SSBU, but idk how strong an alliance cop would be with the presence of a theoretical godfather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 There's almost always a Miller/Godfather (often both), or sometimes a Tailor, to limit the power of the Cop. The Cop is always a powerful role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Millers just claim asap (and since one has yet to claim there clearly isn't one), not really a big effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I didn't comment on manix's claim because I didn't see it when I posted and I went to take a nap afterwards and I just come back from work. Also I never said that Marth was a better lynch than SB, but I felt like prodding him and poking him to see if he would answer my questions. Unless people are wanting to lynch SB right now when we still have a fair amount of time left in the phase to talk about things there was no reason to keep my vote sitting there. I've made it perfectly clear that I feel that SB should die today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Manix's claim reminds me of that time where I fakeclaimed deputy and it worked out for a bit. It's a pretty easy claim, and I don't believe it. also there's the questionable choice of target :/ If we lynch him and he turns up town, we have a clear in Paperblade I guess. Regardless of his alignment, he's interacted with quite a few players that could help us find maf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I would still prefer an SB lynch today just because it is a possible deputy and even though he did stupid things and I've seen him do stupid things a lot as scum before, if he is town I don't want a repeat of SSBU. Of course if I think about it SB bread crumbing stuff could easily be manix as the scum cop or something. Waiting for marth to answer my questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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