Prims Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Orrr wait, actually, Paperblade's claim can be proven if he backs up Blitz's vig. So it might actually not be a scum claim. HMM do we have any way to boost his stamina before the end of the cycle? If we do then we basically get a confirmed scum or a very likely townie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Hmm... ##unvote This is just for right now. I'm going to reread and think about stuff later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 universal backup claim oh. Okay this is probably unnecessary to reveal idc but I only have one action too so picking on Paper's claim for having only one action is bullshit. I want to vote my other scum read but people are going to get pissed unless I explain it and I don't have time, I don't have time to talk about Paper's claim more either because I'm leaving like now so ##Unvote I'm going to be back with a proper case in a few hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Orrr wait, actually, Paperblade's claim can be proven if he backs up Blitz's vig. So it might actually not be a scum claim. yeah this is what I thought too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 scorri's claim mentioned she can influence the stamina of others, so presumably raising my stamina would prove her entire role (or if she's scum make her use it on me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Only problem with leaving Paper around is that basically gives him two cycles of life before we can know he's confirmed... $10 I'm Bizz's new scumread because I think I'm the only person in this game that hasn't been attacked for anything by anyone because #swag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 You'd still have to wait til the end of next cycle to grab his role, which means we'd need to wait for the end of cycle 4 before we see anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 $10 I'm Bizz's new scumread because I think I'm the only person in this game that hasn't been attacked for anything by anyone because #swag it's not you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 You'd still have to wait til the end of next cycle to grab his role, which means we'd need to wait for the end of cycle 4 before we see anything. Does your role have a delayed effect or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Bizz <3 That aside I'm not sure why we should allow Paper life unless cop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Uh... so you said you have four right now. That means you'd need to spend tonight using training camp and I could boost you, which means that you couldn't use your action until next cycle, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yeah, but right now it's Cycle 2, which means we'd see results at the end of Cycle 3, not 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 No. At the end of this cycle, you'd have enough to grab his role. Cycle 3 you could grab his role. Cycle 4 you could use his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 There's no delay in grabbing it and using it afaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 That's... odd. That'd let you use two actions in one cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's technically one action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Ok, well I'll consider it. I have another idea that I believe would still let you use your action by the end of next cycle so there's that. Anyways, I guess since you've full claimed like that I don't need to be afraid of full claiming as well since I wasn't sure what was grounds for modkill. I'm the camp training staff and all my actions cost 0 stamina. Basically, I get to whip you guys into shape instead of exercising myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Helios why would you care about whether or not you're my scumread that seems kinda self-conscious for my tastes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 ##Unvote Ahhh back to the drawing board. Gonna take a look at things later and think of something intelligent. @Bizz: I don't? It's unhelpful to be super vague about your "new scumread" so I was wondering if you could at least say who it was so I could take a look at them and think of something cuz I was confident about Blitz being scum but he's town so ;/ (I was expecting a "no it's not you it's ____" response). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Because I don't want to push a case that I don't have proper research on, but if you want to know who it is, it's Kay. I don't agree with "Kay has absolutely no content" though, because she does. I don't have time to do more than that until after my next rehearsal, I have like 20 minutes of computer time atm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Yeah, I really don't see Paper claiming Universal Backup with a dead vig as a panic claim this early into the day, it'd basically guarantee him getting squeezed out. Worse case scenario is he's SK who didn't successfully kill C1 for whatever reason and is banking on. Or SITUATIONAL SCUM VIG but really, lol. Problem is that assuming 9:2, we'd need to hit scum with one of our lynches or vig for testing his claim to not end in a town loss - mislynching today to net him the stamina would take us to 5:2 with the doc dead, and then if we mislynch and Paper misfires it's 2:2 and we lose. Shit's risky assuming I'm not misunderstanding how the stamina system works, but this assumes we suck at the game. ##Vote: Helios End-of-day Bal vote looks like potential conserving of mislynches. You had just sniped at Paperblade for agreeing with everything a few posts ago; why did you suddenly not consider him to be a viable target now that his wagon was building? Lynching people for information is not lynching people for being scum; town should have weighed which of Paper / Bal were scummier. Pushing weight onto the softclaimed player last minute with little justification seems like an easy set-up for Paper to take the heat the next day, especially given the quickwagon that followed. eclipse is still scummy; I stand by her bolstering Bal's wagon "analysis" being ridiculous and forced padding for explanation of a town read. This especially applies now that Bal has flipped town and most of the players on him at that point seem town (I'm confirmed to self, Blitz flipped, Paper is likely town, Levity just doesn't read scum so that's 3/1); I would expect at least one scum to have been distancing from the mislynch wagon. Life feels really damn forgettable because I can remember where his votes have been but not what his actual opinions were (he never talked much about Kay read and he apparently didn't think Levity was scum?). I know you're an OC player but this is pretty weak. Is Kay still scummy to you? What lynches do you think might hit scum now that Paperblade has claimed? No problems with scorri and Paper given their claims; it's not impossible for scorri to be scum if Kaoz is shooting for a role =/= alignment troll set-up but then I think she'd just claim announcer and only use her stamina booster on her buddies. Kay and RD have been in the background but I find them less pressing then the people I listed in this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 *panic fakeclaim *banking on his SK kill to clear him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 @Prims: You act like I didn't find Bal scummier beforehand (seriously I made quite a few posts about it last night) and didn't say that I would switch my vote to Bal if a scorri lynch wasn't going to happen. Not to mention I didn't math and thought we had an hour left (I even said is it too late to push a Blitz wagon because I seriously thought we had time). My Bal > Paper vote makes perfect sense based on what I said earlier. ##Vote Kay Looking back at her (like 5) posts, she hasn't really done a whole lot other than talk about Eclipse, Life, and defend pretty much everyone else. She defended Blitz's vote, she defended RD's play, she defended Life's OC vs. NOC, she defended my first post of the game, and defended Bal's play in general. The only people she's really attacked are Paper (who she later on decided was starting to play better, even though Paper's play didn't really change), Eclipse (who is the only person she's voted all game) and to a lesser extent Life. Other than that she didn't talk about anything that was happening and pretty much shrugged off as "it looks okay", which feels like lazy play to me. Anything else she said are just general helpfulness and random questions/statements that don't have as much to do with the game. I can support this lynch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I don't really see Kay's play as scummy. It doesn't really make sense to defend everyone's play if your goal is to get them mislynched unless her intent is to just coast through the game while throwing up "No I don't think user is scummy" to distance herself from the wagons. Also, I think you're misrepping her here because she didn't really defend Life's OC vs. NOC theory, she said she didn't think he wasn't posting that much of it in response to me calling it scummy/active lurking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Ugh, I come back home to discover the internet isn't working. Maybe I can try to get it to work but if I can't then uhh I'll do my best on my phone I guess See though the biggest problem with Kay is that I can't decide whether her content is actually scummy or just unmemorable, which is why I wanted to do research first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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