Persona 3 Mafia - Game Cancelled - Mass Destronktion

[Shinori]

Okay so this is my reread of Wen and quick topic notes of everything I see that I feel like I should make note of here.

First post of the game: Votes frosty then unvotes. Frosty flipped scum. A fair amount of scum tend to make some sort of reaction towards someone they have as a buddy. It happens a fair amount of the time. Not really anything solid or anything you can actually go on but hey, the little things amirite? Speaking of which why did he choose to unvote in RVS that early in the game? Generally people don't just do that.

Then for the most part his next 8 posts have nothing important in them at all. His following post after that is his beginning tunnel of SB being third. Also there is this thing where all of his posts are small posts that honestly don't have much in them whatsoever. His next 7 posts are tunneling on SB for his alignment yet they really don't ask or say anything that matters except for where he asks SB who his scum reads are(And every now and then he mentions something about Junko being new). THEN he comments one post on SB's suspicion of FFM but doesn't really say much here either. THEN BACK TO SB. He asks SB for town reads and over his next 6 posts talks nothing about anyone except SB once again. Oh except for once again saying he's not sure of Junko because he's not sure if Junko is NEW.

However something caught my eye. He talks about how a lot of the votes are joke votes and then it gets brought up that he's not voting SB and then he himself questions it but yet doesn't vote him. So basically he's been tunneling onto SB and asking SB who his town and scum reads are while also just constantly saying he doesn't trust SB while not actually putting anything forth that could be considered scum hunting WHATSOEVER.

Weird votals happen and Wen instantly unvotes SB. Comments on FFM lurking, still says nothing about it. Post #190 is really weird and I feel like he's throwing dirt on SB for some weird reason, pretty much what he's been doing the entire game. Next 6 posts are worthless. Seems to be playing Devil's advocate with SB.

NOW he votes Frosty without stating why or anything. The most he's said about Frosty was that he was lurking and not saying much. Considering Wen is just posting a lot and not saying much I really don't see a difference. Also I really can't help but notice he never chose to vote SB after tossing all this dirt on him and pressing him constantly.

FFM death happens, he seems very surprised but I kind of get the feeling that he really didn't like FFM dying that much(#404). Post #411 is a setup spec which is pointless at the moment and the posts around this time are worthless as well.

Wen's big ass worthless list post. Let's count how many reads he has.

Neutral or too little to judge: 6 (One of these being SB)

Neutral leaning scum: 2

Neutral leaning town: 1

Slight town vibe: 2

Slight scum vibe: 2 (Refa and Sky_Paladin.)

So what does this tell us? He's basically neutral on 9 players in the game and has TWO slight ish scum reads of which it seems only one is worthy of his vote, yet he doesn't want to vote said target for risk of hammer.

Says BS about multiple mafia groups with the rules say there is only one. His next 4 posts after that state nothing really except talking about missing our current votals and agreeing with Euk, which he didn't really say much so honestly this doesn't matter too much.

Questions Eury's vote on him and ignores BBM's vote on him. Still isn't doing anything. Now he's basically tunneling Sky without doing much else. Says he would be glad to hammer sky if sky doesn't defend himself well(#498). Still says he doesn't trust SB, heavily dislike that. He really can't do anything else except tunnel SB and Sky it seems and he doesn't put any effort to scum hunt anywhere else.

NOW POST #522. Let's talk about this. He wants a role cop to target the third party on Night 1 when we should really be focusing on scum hunting and not wasting time with a third party who claimed minutes into day 1. This is scummy as fuck. He wants to focus on a third over ANYTHING ELSE. I'd much rather a cop go looking for scum than worry about SB. This is like asking a cop to waste a day doing nothing. This is TERRIBLE play.

Then he says he's against the quickhammer but said he's willing to hammer earlier, seems contradictory.

SO ALL IN ALL. Wen has done nothing. His posts focus on SB for 60% of the game basically. Then about 20% of his posts are focused on sky and the other 20% are filled with nothing but spam. Like he's just trying to look active. He hasn't scumhunted anyone else except his like 1 post on FFM, SB and Sky. He hasn't hardly commented on anyone else even except for his list post which basically said "I AM NEUTRAL ON EVERYONE!"

This needs to be answered for.

##Unvote:

##Vote: Wen

[Shinori]

Oh yeah and this whole refa scum thing. Told you that FFM reaction with him totally revealed information on his alignment!

[Shinori]

Also the distancing from Wen and Refa is there as well. It's pretty obvious. So if Refa is really scum, I'd be even more willing to throw Wen to the dogs.

[charlie_]

Shinori is probably town because he would've been demotivated by now if his entire team was dying around him as scum. His Kopf case looks pretty good, actually.

[Shinori]

Shinori is probably town because he would've been demotivated by now if his entire team was dying around him as scum. His Kopf case looks pretty good, actually.

You know me so well SB.

[Refa]

Well, I was planning on betraying scum anyways so maybe he's just happy that the scum team didn't automatically get wrecked.

[Junk]

Kopflajer keeps on alternating between quickhammering and hammering. He goes back and forth between okay if no one else wants hammer I will quickhammer. But then he starts to say I want to hear Sky defend himself so lets not quickhammer. Kopflajer is a veteran at this so it seems more scummy than me saying it. Kopflajer also seems to supports Sky Paladin but when we all started to lynch Sky he agreed with us. Suspicious. I want to ask kop his lynching priorities. He also says not to quickhammer because we have time but then starts saying. Wait shinori? Kopflajer seems to be contradicting his own argument. Look here Did you not just say that kop said the possibility of multiple groups is BS?

[Green Poet]

Well, that's certainly more effort from Shinori than I've seen when he was scumbuddies with me in ITTD.

Who else here presently supports a Wen case? I'm seeing Junko, SB, Shinori so far.

[Shinori]

Sb/Shino combo rip game open! GO!

[Junk]

oops meant to say alternating between quickhammering and NOT hammering.

[Terrador]

Well, that's certainly more effort from Shinori than I've seen when he was scumbuddies with me in ITTD.

Who else here presently supports a Wen case? I'm seeing Junko, SB, Shinori so far.

I don't, really. I have some Magvel stuff to do, and I'll be dogsitting in a few hours, but I've got some ISOs to look at at some point.

Two important orders of business:

#1: If you believe that Refa is scum and plan on lynching him at the end of the day, speak up. Many haven't confirmed that they believe it, nor stated disbelief.

#2: Requesting vote totals.

And while I'm at it...

##Unvote

##Vote: Refa

[Refa]

I don't buy it!

[Eurykins]

Blah, frickin' randoms in LoL games.

Well, that's certainly more effort from Shinori than I've seen when he was scumbuddies with me in ITTD.

Who else here presently supports a Wen case? I'm seeing Junko, SB, Shinori so far.

I was probably one of the first who had an issue with him to start off, so I'd obviously support it (and Shinori panned out the case against him rather effectively imo, moreso than I did).

@Terrador: Scum!Refa's definitely on the chopping block today, unless we want to knock out Wen today and leave Refa for ezpz scum lynch tomorrow. Imo, I'm supportive of both lynches easily.

[Junk]

Blah, frickin' randoms in LoL games.

I was probably one of the first who had an issue with him to start off, so I'd obviously support it (and Shinori panned out the case against him rather effectively imo, moreso than I did).

@Terrador: Scum!Refa's definitely on the chopping block today, unless we want to knock out Wen today and leave Refa for ezpz scum lynch tomorrow. Imo, I'm supportive of both lynches easily.

I think we should kill refa today. We all need to question kopf more.

[Terrador]

@Terrador: Scum!Refa's definitely on the chopping block today, unless we want to knock out Wen today and leave Refa for ezpz scum lynch tomorrow. Imo, I'm supportive of both lynches easily.

Confirmed lynch now is absolutely the optimal play, without question. We make the guess-lynch when we have more information. It ain't rocket science.

[Mitsuki]

I'm having Shinori as a nullread now because he's made scummy stuff, but suspicion on Refa doesn't seem like bussing.

##Unvote

##Vote: Refa as there are... 3? 4? votes on him and I won't risk a quickhammer.

In MLP:FiM mafia Refa also claimed scum (does he usually do that?) and he painly stated that SB was his scumbuddy, which he was.

I feel like there could be a similar case regarding Euklyd this game. Refa implied a couple of times early in the game that Euklyd was his scumbuddy (here). Euklyd made a RVS vote on Refa asking if he was his scumbuddy, which makes me think it's less likely it was random stuff. Still, I don't think this is enough to consider Euklyd as scum.

However, I've ISO'd Euklyd. His Sky Paladin vote here is far worse than Shinori's: his only stated reason for suspecting Paladin is that he was ITP hunting, as he didn't think tunneling is scummy. Why would wanting to lynch a claimed ITP be scummy, what would scum be trying to achieve that town wouldn't? Most of what I said about Shinori's Paladin vote applies here better.

Other than that he hasn't done much.

Euklyd, you said you were townreadin Refa because of rolespec (among other things). Could you elaborate?

I think Euklyd is null towards scum. I'll probably think more about this when I sleep.

Lynch priority updated is Refa >>> Euklyd > everyone else > Paladin > Green Poet > SB

My read on Paladin didn't change, I just didn't list him previously and I don't really know why.

[Refa]

@Terrador: Scum!Refa's definitely on the chopping block today, unless we want to knock out Wen today and leave Refa for ezpz scum lynch tomorrow. Imo, I'm supportive of both lynches easily.

I wouldn't support a Refa lynch. He seems like a swell guy. Someone I'd like to get to know during the Night Phase (or would it be the Midnight Hour) and have a beer with, you know? Although you can't build Social Links during that time...

I think we should kill refa today. We all need to question kopf more.

Only scum kills, town lynches. OBVIOUS SCUMSLIP.

Confirmed lynch now is absolutely the optimal play, without question. We make the guess-lynch when we have more information. It ain't rocket science.

Well, this is based on an RPG, AKA Rocket Propelled Grenade. So you could say it's based on rocket science!

[Eurykins]

@Terrador: Of course. I'm still concerned about Wen, no doubt, but erasing Refa off the fields of this game as confirmed scum is top priority, while we poke n' prod about Wen (and others) in the meantime.

[Junk]

Well lynching and killing to me are the same thing. Either way you basically "die"

[Shinori]

Do I even need to bother and go read Mitsuki's case against me? I really don't feel like I should or have to because I don't care that much and I'm not gonna get lynched anyway. So unless some vig who doesn't like me is gonna shoot me then I don't think it really matters.

Oh yeah and I haven't really done anything scummy anyway.

[Refa]

Well lynching and killing to me are the same thing. Either way you basically "die"

I am infinite. I am eternal. I am Refa.

[Breezy Kanzaki]

I support the Roofa lynch at the end of the day or close to it.

My reasoning is as follows:

Since he claimed Reviver, he could in theory revive Frosty and either have town waste a night kill if we have one on him or waste another day lynching him, therefore putting us behind a day.

So yeah, Breezy is all for the Refa lynch.

[Refa]

My reviver role kills me when I use it...

[Refa]

Seriously, I don't see how it'd ever benefit me as scum it's so lame.

[Green Poet]

Did Refa ever actually fullclaim?