Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Tier List FAQ by Vykan12. Please read and understand before posting. This topic was linked on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Awesome or awesome? T = PoR transfer, followed by the stats assumed to have capped. (PoR stat boosters are occasionally assumed) N = No transfer, or "Normal." [spoiler=Transfer notes]-An N/T means the normal and transfer version of that character are right next to each other with the (T) version on top but kept in the same spot to avoid the redundancy of listing the character twice. Where applicable, the transfer stats are still listed for reference due to the possibility of being argued up. -Transfer units are assumed in a void. That is, if someone wants to debate Ike (T)'s position, it is assumed he is the only transferred unit on the team. This is to prevent arguments about which units might have been transferred on a team since you can't transfer everyone in one run and allows us to see the general impact a transferred unit has on the game as accurately as possible. However, this does not mean that one unit is allowed all of PoR's stat boosters. Those are already included in the current transfer setup. -The above does, of course, still apply when comparing two (T) units to each other. If the discussion is Mia (T) vs Titania (T), the Titania on Mia (T)'s theoretical team is normal and the Mia on Titania (T)'s theoretical team is also normal. -No units are assumed priority for a transfer. Rolf is just as likely to be transferred as Titania. Also read: [spoiler=Suggestions for search convenience (thanks to Sirius)]1. Refer to the transfer characters as "Name(T)" as opposed to "Name (T)" as you've been doing, in other words, just ditch that space. Why? Because you can't search the latter with the search function. 2. Refer to 3 letter characters as "NameXX". IkeXX for example. Same for the transfers, Ike transfer should be "IkeXX(T)" since "Ike(T)" can't be found with the search function. Without transfer units: Easy Mode (1) Haar Top (4) Titania Ike Sothe Volug High (9) Reyson Rafiel Leanne Nailah Mia Nolan Shinon Janaff Ulki Upper Middle (14) Jill Zihark Micaiah Black Knight Tibarn Naesala Elincia Gatrie Laura Oscar Nephenee Mordecai Ranulf Boyd Middle (16) Marcia Heather Tauroneo Rhys Mist Aran Caineghis/Giffca Muarim Skrimir Edward Tanith Kieran Tormod Calill Soren Lower Middle (15) Brom Geoffrey Lucia Rolf Leonardo Nealuchi Nasir Ilyana Ena Sigrun Makalov Volke Stefan Renning Danved Low (8) Lethe Vika Gareth Sanaki Bastian Lehran Kyza Pelleas Bottom (5) Kurthnaga Oliver Astrid Meg Fiona Sword Art Online (1) Lyre Epic (3) 3-13 Archer Dheginsea Zelgius Easy Mode (1) (T-1) Haar (N/T - HP) Ike (T - HP, Str, Skl, Spd, Def, Res) Top (4) (T-1) Titania (N/T - Spd, Skl) Ike Sothe Volug Jill (T - Str, Skl, Spd, Def) High (9) (T-4) Reyson (N/T - Skl) Rafiel Leanne Nailah Oscar (T - Str, Skl, Spd) Mia (N/T - Str, Skl, Spd) Nolan Nephenee (T - Str, Skl, Spd) Shinon (N/T - Skl, Spd) Boyd (T - HP, Str, Skl, Spd) Ulki (T - Str) Janaff (N/T) Ulki Upper Middle (14) (T-2) Jill Zihark (N/T - Str, Skl, Spd) Micaiah Black Knight Tibarn Naesala Elincia (N/T - Mag, Skl, Spd) Gatrie (N/T - Str, Skl, Spd, Def) Laura Oscar Marcia (T - Str, Skl, Spd) Nephenee Mordecai (N/T) Ranulf (N/T) Boyd Rolf (T - Str, Spd) Middle (16) (T-5) Marcia Heather Tauroneo (N/T) Rhys (N/T - Mag, Skl, Res) Mist (N/T - Mag, Spd) Aran Soren (T - Mag, Skl, Spd, Res) Tanith (T - Str, Skl, Spd) Giffca (T - Str) Caineghis/Giffca Muarim (N/T) Skrimir Kieran (T - Str, Skl, Spd) Makalov (T - Str, Spd, Def) Edward Tanith Kieran Tormod (N/T - Mag, Spd) Calill (N/T - Mag) Soren Lower Middle (15) (T-1) Brom (N/T - HP, Str, Skl, Spd, Def) Geoffrey (N/T - Spd) Lucia (N/T) Rolf Ilyana (T - Mag, Skl, Res) Leonardo Nealuchi Nasir Ilyana Ena Sigrun Makalov Volke (N/T - Str, Skl, Spd) Stefan (N/T - Str, Skl, Spd) Renning Danved (N/T - Str) Low (8) (T-1) Lethe (N/T) Vika Gareth Sanaki Bastian (N/T - Str) Lehran Kyza Astrid (T - Str, Skl, Spd) Pelleas Bottom (5) Kurthnaga Oliver Astrid Meg Fiona Sword Art Online (1) Lyre Voice all complaints loudly. Edited October 13, 2013 by Red Fox of Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Edit: Errr... Edited June 13, 2009 by Ninji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 I just realized we forgot Pelleas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I thought we agreed on lower mid because of his accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 Where exactly though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Nightroad Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Edward should be lower. Soren should be higher. Volke, Bastian, and Stefan should be mid tier. Astrid should be atleast low tier (she is really underrated). Aran should be a bit higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Under Makalov. @Chris: Edward has some troubles early-on with durability. Soren has trouble doubling early-on and he's got only decent endgame potential. They come way too late. This is based off of Hard mode. She's impossible to raise in it. He has speed problems which can't be fixed well because of the lack of BEXP. He's quite useful for his tanking abilities, though. Edited December 21, 2008 by Harold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 Edward should be lower.Soren should be higher. Volke, Bastian, and Stefan should be mid tier. Astrid should be atleast low tier (she is really underrated). Aran should be a bit higher. Reasons? Although I do agree on Edward and Astrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Nightroad Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Reasons? Although I do agree on Edward and Astrid Eddie is horrible early on.... which is when the game is at its hardest. Zihark is a viable replacement later on (and has much better defense). Astrid has a lot of room to grow and be useful... albeit she is hard to use. She certainly isn't bottom tier due to her good stats later on. She's certainly better than Fiona, to say the least. Soren is the best sage you're going to get. Its not a question of overall viability... its a question of necessity... and until Endgame, he's pretty important. Volke may not be very useable, but apparently that didn't stop Naesala, Tibarn, and Nailah who you have as much higher. Bastian is a viable replacement for Soren come endgame, but chances are you are using Soren, so he might stay where he is or be a bit higher. Stefan is a good trueblade, certainly better than Lucia statwise and contributes an SS sword to your party. A viable endgame replacement for Eddie (unless you are using Mia and Zihark who are better than him). Only thing really keeping Stefan down is bad luck (odd for a Swordmaster) and late joining. Aran is pretty much crucial to Micaiah's team. Like it or not, he is probably going to be used. He is a Lance Marshall with +1 movement effectively. His earth affinity is awesome especially when paired up with Nolan's earth affinity. By the way, you forgot Leonardo. I would put him on lower-middle or low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 Eddie is horrible early on.... which is when the game is at its hardest. Zihark is a viable replacement later on (and has much better defense). Astrid has a lot of room to grow and be useful... albeit she is hard to use. She certainly isn't bottom tier due to her good stats later on. She's certainly better than Fiona, to say the least. Soren is the best sage you're going to get. Its not a question of overall viability... its a question of necessity... and until Endgame, he's pretty important. Volke may not be very useable, but apparently that didn't stop Naesala, Tibarn, and Nailah who you have as much higher. Bastian is a viable replacement for Soren come endgame, but chances are you are using Soren, so he might stay where he is or be a bit higher. Stefan is a good trueblade, certainly better than Lucia statwise and contributes an SS sword to your party. A viable endgame replacement for Eddie (unless you are using Mia and Zihark who are better than him). Only thing really keeping Stefan down is bad luck (odd for a Swordmaster) and late joining. Aran is pretty much crucial to Micaiah's team. Like it or not, he is probably going to be used. He is a Lance Marshall with +1 movement effectively. His earth affinity is awesome especially when paired up with Nolan's earth affinity. By the way, you forgot Leonardo. I would put him on lower-middle or low. Edward does turn out pretty great though, and he isn't that bad to start. She's higher than Fiona already anyway. He's not that important really. He almost never doubles and he can't take more than a few hits. Nailah has part 1 chapters and is hax. Tibarn and Naesala both have more availability and are just overall amazing. Knives aren't good, so Volke really isn't that good. Bastian has pretty poor bases and crap availability. Lucia has a chapter of usefulness where Stefan has none, and coming with the Vague Katti isn't an advantage. He doesn't have earth affinity. And he sacrifices two weapons for 1 movement if you're to compare him to Marshalls. He gets doubled a lot, so his massive defense isn't as good as it looks. He's in low mid already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Eddie is horrible early on.... which is when the game is at its hardest. Zihark is a viable replacement later on (and has much better defense). Astrid has a lot of room to grow and be useful... albeit she is hard to use. She certainly isn't bottom tier due to her good stats later on. She's certainly better than Fiona, to say the least. Soren is the best sage you're going to get. Its not a question of overall viability... its a question of necessity... and until Endgame, he's pretty important. Volke may not be very useable, but apparently that didn't stop Naesala, Tibarn, and Nailah who you have as much higher. Bastian is a viable replacement for Soren come endgame, but chances are you are using Soren, so he might stay where he is or be a bit higher. Stefan is a good trueblade, certainly better than Lucia statwise and contributes an SS sword to your party. A viable endgame replacement for Eddie (unless you are using Mia and Zihark who are better than him). Only thing really keeping Stefan down is bad luck (odd for a Swordmaster) and late joining. Aran is pretty much crucial to Micaiah's team. Like it or not, he is probably going to be used. He is a Lance Marshall with +1 movement effectively. His earth affinity is awesome especially when paired up with Nolan's earth affinity. By the way, you forgot Leonardo. I would put him on lower-middle or low. Edward will have the best endgame stats of the 3 Trueblades, and he has Caladbolg. Astrid is useless in Hard Mode. Even with Paragon, she's stuck to bows and she's horribly underleveled. Calill is your best Endgame sage. Soren has trouble doubling for the first few parts of the GM chapters. Volke appears for 6 chapters with decent stats. Tibarn, Nailah, and Naesala appear in more than 7 or more chapters with h4x stats. Big difference. Bastian is easily outclassed by any other sage that can be raised except Tormod and he's only useable for 6 chapters. Stefan is useable for 6 chapters also, but one he can't do ANYTHING in. Lucia at least has 1 chapter of being awesome and some other chapters of being decent. He doesn't have an earth affinity. He's already in High tier. That's really good. He's above Kyza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Poleax Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 It's good, I guess. I don't think much about tiers and I haven't played hard mode yet so good job coming up with a list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopoldstotch711 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Aran needs to be moved down. He doesn't have earth affinity. And he sacrifices two weapons for 1 movement if you're to compare him to Marshalls. He gets doubled a lot, so his massive defense isn't as good as it looks. Interesting, I never thought of Aran in those specific terms. But it does make sense. I can't see Aran and Nephenee being in the same tier section. Her one speed point higher than his can make a lot of difference in the Endgame. Aran is pretty much crucial to Micaiah's team. Like it or not, he is probably going to be used. He is a Lance Marshall with +1 movement effectively. His earth affinity is awesome especially when paired up with Nolan's earth affinity. I've never used Aran whatsover; he's not crucial at all to the DBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 Interesting, I never thought of Aran in those specific terms. But it does make sense. I can't see Aran and Nephenee being in the same tier section. Her one speed point higher than his can make a lot of difference in the Endgame. That's also considering Aran can even reach his speed cap. Endgame is the easiest part of the game though, so it doesn't hold as much weight as the rest of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 This list is full of flaws IMO. Meg and Astrid should not be bottom teir for one. Astrid being one of the two beorc who can use the great paragon&Blossom combo. I find that to be very wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 This list is full of flaws IMO.Meg and Astrid should not be bottom teir for one. Astrid being one of the two beorc who can use the great paragon&Blossom combo. I find that to be very wrong. Meg starts crap and can only ever become average. Bottom is where she belongs. I think Astrid is better as well, but I know a lot of others don't think so. Surprised you didn't mention Sothe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Meg starts crap and can only ever become average. Bottom is where she belongs. I think Astrid is better as well, but I know a lot of others don't think so. Surprised you didn't mention Sothe. I don't think Sothe is a completely useless unit. I just hate him with a passion. Also, it's not like that's the only flaw I found with the list. Also, also, tiers are for losers. (I think that's how it goes....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I don't think Sothe is a completely useless unit. I just hate him with a passion.Also, it's not like that's the only flaw I found with the list. Also, also, tiers are for losers. (I think that's how it goes....) I did say to voice all complaints loudly, so tear it apart. Just remember that it's based mainly on hard mode and also a bit for normal mode. It's "Tiers are for queers." Edited December 21, 2008 by Red Fox of Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Sothe should be down one. Jill should be up one. Volke should be up one. Leonardo should be bottom. Even with Lughahashidadiwable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) What? Where did Edward having the best Endgame com from? We're talking a few points of defense, if even that. Even then, Z still has that awesome Nolan support and Adept and is still probably going to keep his level lead by then. Either way there's no way he's high tier. Upper Mid seems fairer. Also Blood Tide>Bottom tier. And it's not like Gareth uses up an endgame slot. Same with Lehran, and Lehran can do some damage to the final boss as well as some healing. Edited December 21, 2008 by Berserkah2DaBladah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 What? Where did Edward having the best Endgame com from? We're talking a few points of defense, if even that. Even then, Z still has that awesome Nolan support and Adept and is still probably going to keep his level lead by then. Either way there's no way he's high tier. Upper Mid seems fairer.Also Blood Tide>Bottom tier. And it's not like Gareth uses up an endgame slot. Same with Lehran, and Lehran can do some damage to the final boss as well as some healing. Zihark > Edward, but Edward naturally caps everything except magic and resistance, and, with the exception of defense, fairly quickly, giving him great BEXP potential, some of the best in the game. Gareth does take up a slot because only 17 units can be taken to all the endgame maps. Gareth is 2-3 rounded for the two maps he's in and Lehran is useless for the one chapter he's in. If you want Blood Tide, you have Ena who can at least live, and it isn't that great anyway. You should have at least two staff users in endgame anyway, and plenty of characters who can damage Ashera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Gareth does take up a slot because only 17 units can be taken to all the endgame maps. Yes, and he joins after you've already picked your twelve, so he's not shutting anybody else out at all. Unless I'm remembering something wrong here (RD's not exactly my favorite in the series) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 Yes, and he joins after you've already picked your twelve, so he's not shutting anybody else out at all. Unless I'm remembering something wrong here (RD's not exactly my favorite in the series) If he's to be sent to the map, someone else won't be. Only 17 units can be fielded. Once you get Nasir and Gareth, you have 19 units. Someone will be left behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Sothe should be down one.Jill should be up one. Volke should be up one. Leonardo should be bottom. Even with Lughahashidadiwable. I forgot to ask: Reasons? And do you mean down/up one placement or down/up a full tier? Edited December 21, 2008 by Red Fox of Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Nealuchi's missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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