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I'm pretty sure I've seen Rogue given more often as a fakeclaim than as an actual role.

Chapter 11: 6/6 Hector smash gain 2 speed Chapter 12: 4/10 Pretty easy when Hector doubles the boss Chapter 13: 6/16 curses nobody to break snags, cost me a few turns Chapter 13x: 7/23 defend Chapter 14: 6/30 what is earlygame Chapter 15: 7/37 defend Chapter 16: 6/43 Finally some units Chapter 17: 15/58 Everyone's durability is pretty trash. Sain is pretty decent, Florina is pretty terrible, and Hector's cruddy STR is making him miss out on some kills despite doubling everything.

Upon reread it kind of does look like I'm following Prims a lot, but a lot of our posts were in pretty close succession because we were both posting pretty frequently.

By "that point", I mean the point where he initially made a case against Mancer way back when.

I didn't really think that Cam was town at all. He also just said that he did in fact find Mancer scum, but then why didn't he place a vote for him at that point?

Prims, you're almost as bad a person as song.You get informed of redirects, so meh. If you get redirected to someone and we suspect that person of being scum, we can just lynch them anyways. Blacksmith isn't equal to Doc but it's pretty provable and there isn't much of a reason for mafia to have it.

That's not entirely true, I see no reason why the mafia would have need for a 2-shot Blacksmith. I know the rules say not to rolespec and all, but I can't really see Mancer being mafia with that role. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Lucina also wtf Prims spoilers

I've actually never heard of you being called emotionless. In fact, considering you almost subbed out of the game over an argument, I'd say it's rather the opposite?

Yeah, you should claim. Saying "my role is provable" doesn't really mean much because not all provable roles are town-only and you could just be lying to survive another day.

We as a community are pretty tiring, I agree. Deadline is in ~5 hours, I think. Voting protocols are pretty similar as they are on NS2, as far as I can tell. No night-talking though. I don't really believe in lynching people for information unless it's down to a few people and none of them look scummy to me. In this case, both look scummy, so I'm going with Mancer because even though I know I said he didn't seem that scummy for a long portion of the phase, his more recent posts have seemed worse to me. You probably won't be back until after phase end and retroactive justification is hard to get anything from, but let me ask you the question you asked me- why are you voting Mancer? From what I can see it seems to be mainly because his flip will give more info than Lucy's. Also, something to answer when you get back/finish reading/D2- do you have a case to build on anyone? You sort of analyzed a few posts, but they were all by different people and you seemed to just ask questions instead of actually giving your opinions on most of them.

I wouldn't even know Wren from Adventures and I hosted that game. If that is the case, Mancer isn't going to get modkilled anymore, so yeah.

hey I already got warned for it on NS2 >_> The goal of the game is to find scum. You don't think that scum can get panicky when under the gun? Your reads are eh because you said Lucina was scummy for sheeping but saying this is essentially sheeping yourself (though to be fair Lucina hasn't had a lot of content to give rise to a lot of original opinions about her), and the Prims read doesn't make much sense because you said that the reasons for your wagon were justified, but said that Prims's vote wasn't, even though his was one of the primary votes on you. That post by JB is kind of weird and I'm not entirely sure what he's trying to say or why it's so important that we've been discussing it for like a page.

Shinori- Shinori Elieson- Elie, Elieson Helios- Helios MancerNecro- Mancer Prims- Prims, gay eclipse- eclipse, clipsey BabyBowserMonster- BigBangMeteor, BBM Scorri- Scorri Bizz- Levity, Leder Darros- Frog Xinnidy- Xinny, Xinnidy Camtech- Cam, CT075 Serious Baninjas- Serious Bananas, SB Kay- Gallade, Kay JBCWK- JB, Skyward j00- j00 Areox- Areox Lucina- Doofina, Lucina Snike- Snike Paperbro- Paperblade

##Unvote, ##Vote: Mancer fuck it, I know I've semi-defended him for most of the phase, but his latest actions read sort of panicky and he has posts like this: that really say nothing at all. Yeah, things can be scummy or not scummy depending on how they are interpreted. The question is, how do you interpret them?

wth Mancer what was the point of that vote?

There are no hammers in this game so it doesn't really matter. Ugh, Mancer's recent posts read sort of panicky to me and a lot worse than his earlier ones. He's just kind of shoveling blame back at Prims and then the sudden Lucina case reads sort of "not me over me" which isn't bad when it's said explicitly but looks worse when you try to make it out to seem genuine, so idk.

WREN, Mancer and I probably have a decent chance of getting lynched if you find us scummier as well, and IIRC Lucy only needs one more vote for a deadline lynch, so you don't need to vote for her to guarantee a lynch or anything. IMO it'd be more helpful for you to give reads on all three of us.

lmao Anyways, yeah, hey Ammy/Touku. We're kind of under the crunch as far as the lynch goes and we don't have a lot of time left in the phase, so if you could give some reads before then, it'd be pretty cool.

>says Prims's vote is justified >says he doesn't like Prims's approach to the wagon Mancer, people are allowed to add more to their case as time goes on.

@Xinny- Other than Darros, there isn't anybody who's been posting regularly that I feel like I could build a lengthy case on. I have some minor hunches and vibes about some, but that's it.

Manix can we have updated votals if you don't mind? Meh, I guess I can see the Mancer case more than earlier, but Lucy seems worse to me.

Well alternatively if we lynch Lucina, Mancer just gets modvigged.

Okay I reread Mancer's posts, and I think he explained what he was trying to say kind of weirdly. Like, I can sort of understand his initial point about Elie's question to Scorri. When you're making posts, cutting off words in the middle and putting in ellipses isn't scummy, but it is unnecessarily dramatic. And the tone of a lot of Elie's early posts seemed sort of arrogant too, though that's not scummy either. After that his Kay vote wasn't the best, and then he got into the slapfight with JB and they both ragequit, which was... yeah. Also, I was sort of assuming that the ITP in 15/4/1 was a SK even though that's not automatically given, so I guess knowing the existence of a SK isn't totally redundant with Numbers.

I'm one of the larger wagons and it doesn't seem as if any of the people currently voting me are going to stop doing so anytime soon, so should I claim? Don't particularly feel like getting lynched. Out of the major wagons, the Prims wagon is sort of terrible (Lucina voting him for something that had already been explained and then disappearing, Areox's jokevote, and Kay's vote for him not scumhunting?). I'm also going to reread Mancer's posts soon to try and see what people find scummy about him because the only reason I see people citing is that his cases are sort of grasping.

Wait what Why would town have a Numbers and an informed townie that knows the existence of a SK? That's completely redundant, especially as the Numbers is superior since it also knows how many mafia there are.