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No one is disputing that Sigurd and Celice are both main characters. The question is which one of them is more of a main character. And it's the one who actually does stuff, not the one who gives us the background and lets us have a generation system.

The regional pokedex includes a whopping 300 pokemon, of which only half are Gen 5.

I don't think I missed a vote...

Why is VOlcarona in High? I thought you couldn't even get it until after the main story?

What happens if Spotpass/DLC characters you recruit die in battle? Are they usable again next chapter, or are they gone until you redownload them?

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Vulpix scores a 4.38.

What he's also saying is that he thinks what people are taking to be his cape could be just long hair.

Move Tutor and relearn Bite, maybe? You could teach Nidoking Shadow Ball from the Game Corner. That might be a OHKO.

Chapter 1: 24/35 Could've saved 2 turns if I'd had Fin sell the Speed Ring to Sigurd so that he could double Archers with the Javelin. However, my strategy involved Fin dodging a lot, so eh. And he wouldn't have been able to double Archers with an Iron Lance otherwise, so eh. Integ beat me by a turn, but he had the same amount of units as I did (Lex and Midir instead of Cuan and Fin), so it's not TOO bad.

Baldrick, I can pair Brigid with say Noish and still use Cuan, right?

When I was talking about you guys being pedants, I was talking about the Sigurd giving birth to Celice bit.

Now you guys are just being pedantics.

Except Sigurd thinks Leptor and Langobalt are the main villains, while they're just pawns. He doesn't rebel against Alvis/Manfroy.

Without Sigurd, Celice wouldn't even be alive? With that reasoning, we could attribute anything great anyone's done to their ancestors instead. Sigurd only "plants the seeds" to the rebellion in that he gives birth to Celice. It's Celice who actually rebels. I do think Sigurd is a main character, just not quite as important as Celice.

Sorry, this should be Manix + Proto, not Prims + Proto.

I think it's more likely to be Manix + Prims at this point, but Prims + Proto is still possible, as it explains Manix's switch from Prims to me as more likely to get a mislynch because Prims was already suspicious of me.

Celice is slightly more important than Sigurd because he's the one who saves the world. Sigurd's story is almost like a prequel to Celice's, to give background (admittedly, background that is more interesting than the actual story, but still)

If 3 of you are convinced that I am scum, why are you waiting? Rothene, although probably town, has sheeped all game and is unlikely to do anything other than echo you guys.

Lyn mode is pretty unimportant to the plot of the entire story as a whole. Ninils are plot important characters, but they're not the protagonists in any way. Eliwood's the leader of the party. People are following him to save his father, and then he keeps leadership because why would it switch?

A theoretical reason for leaving me alive as scum Follower is that it is allowing you to get a much easier mislynch on me than you could have on Bizz. And as for why I think that you might be Manix's scumbuddy, I know that I said earlier that the constant argument between you and Manix looked more like one scum/one town or two town, but I think that you guys could also be scumbuddies because I remember you saying at one point that it's dumb for a scum to bus their partner D1 because they'd have to get a lot of successive mislynches. But I think that had one of you gotten the other lynched D1, that reasoning combined with the town cred gotten from lynching a scum might have been enough for that person to last the rest of the game. Then once it became obvious that neither of you were going to be lynched, the conflict became a sort of safe thing for one of you to use to disprove the idea of Prims/Manix scumbuddies. Plus, IIRC, I was wavering between voting for Blitz and Proto D1 and not quite sure, and you were the one who convinced me to switch over to Blitz, as well as the one who, as I psoted earlier, said "what do you guys think of a last minute power wagon?"

Except you've given no reason for why you now find me scummier than Prims except for being unmemorable (not a good reason) and the Blitz lynch, something that can be attributed to Prims as well.

You mean GLASS, the peerless swordsman!

I think there's a pretty good chance you might be. I think it's Manix+Proto/Prims atm. IMO we should lynch Manix today and then see who dies tonight and go off that. Scum will try to kill Rothene in that situation, so I will protect him. They know this, so they will either idle their kill, go for one of you, in which case the other is probably scum, or kill me, in which case I don't know. Of course you're allowed to be suspicious of more than one person. But I don't understand why you'd vote for me for Blitz's lynch when you could vote for Prims, who's been your #1 scumread all game for the exact same reason. I'd vote for you if we weren't in a lynch condition.

And since for 90% of the game you've said that Prims is scummier than me, the fact that you're going after me even though the exact same reason could be applied to Prims is pretty suspicious.