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1 minute ago, Rezzy said:
How is Conrad so high?
Ginger stud like Lukas? Check
Is a masked figure like Lucina helping a main protagonist from the shadows? Check
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1 minute ago, fOrEiGn sOUl said:
I see, that rightful master of sass is breaking through. I'm warming up his seat in my hereos team already.
It's nice to see him high up. I really wasn't expecting him to be above Leon.
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37 minutes ago, silveraura25 said:
Poor Jesse. He seemed like a okay guy that I somewhat liked.
I personally don't like him, but I would have him switch places with Deen. The fact he's the last merenary you get when you already have Saber and Kamui as options is what really hurts him. Same seems to be the case for Est as well but I feel like that it could because Est doesn't... well act like a Est archetype in the game which is baffling like her growths are not true to her character in the least.
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Okay, so if we're to go by the CYL2 character popularity poll than we can have a somewhat of an idea how a Shadows of Valentia official character popularity poll would have looked liked if Japan did one, but of course this is worldwide so there's that, but anyway here are the results if we're to go by just playable characters in the cast.
Please note that the 4 Cipher OCs were not involved in the poll.
Male/Female:
1st: Alm/Celica
2nd: Kliff/Delthea
3rd: Lukas/Faye
4th Conrad/Genny
5th: Python/Silque
6th: Luthier/Sonya
7th: Zeke/Mae
8th: Leon/Catria
9th: Forsyth/Clair
10th: Saber/Tatiana
11th: Valbar/Palla
12th: Gray/Mathilda
13th: Fernand/Est
14th: Boey
15th: Kamui
16th: Atlas
17th:Tobin
18th: Deen
19th: Mycen
20th: Clive
21th: Jesse
22th: Nomah
Honorable Mention: Berkut/Rinea both taking 3rd place which I'm still trying to wrap my head around Berkut's fiancee being so high despite being for the most part non existent.
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I'm so very proud of Ephraim, he has come so far from last year. Out of all the top 10 characters counting last year and this year his moving up the ladder by 5 is the most impressive.
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Also speaking of the 2 banners we had at the start of the game Roy isn't anywhere to be found at all. He's the only one who isn't in the list.
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3 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:
Anna huh? Lucina and Robin are pretty high too. Lucina I can get, but Robin?
You have to remember he's available as 3 star out of all the 2 banners focus characters in the beginning of the game. Also he was a popular mu choice against Takumi who was a huge threat at the time.
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1 minute ago, SilvertheShadow said:
This is pretty much how I feel myself. Legendary banner's reds are not very great otherwise so I'll hold off for him until next time.
Same, I cannot feel confident enough in getting him right now, especially when Sanaki and Siegbert are in the way. So hopefully he ends up being our free hero when we vote.
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RD Ike no contest really. The legendary banner he's in has Sanaki and Sigbert who he has interfering in getting him if you just want him specifically. He also has if you want to give to other units to inherit Warding Breath and Radiant Aether which looks to be possible.
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47 minutes ago, Captain Karnage said:
what joke character can we vote in, we've already got Dorcas and Arden
We desperately need Moulder the Boulder.
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7 minutes ago, DefyingFates said:
LYON! Finally, the GHB I've wanted since launch is finally coming to FEH!
I assume he'll be a Red Tome (as much as I'd like him to be a Green Tome to complete the colour triangle with the Twins) and in-built Close Counter would be cool to compensate for the lack of Summoning, but I doubt that'd happen (why DON'T we have any in-built Close Counters yet?)
This also makes me very eager to see what the next banner and Tempest Trial will be. I had a theory that Book 2 would have a Sacred Stones focus early on and I really hope I'm proven right!!
Same here.
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My favorite Fire Emblem antagonist in the series is finally here. If we do get a Sacred Stones banner it really should have Myrrh in it because to this day only 1 green dragon unit is simply disgusting. So for the banner I would hope for these characters prioritized with each said color.
L'Arachel - Colorless
Myrrh/Duessel - Green
Blue - Cormag
Gerik/Marisa - Red
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I'm really hyped for this event. We'll have some idea now where the SoV characters rank, especially given they didn't even get their own official popularity poll for their game like Awakening and Fates did and other games prior (with the exception certain games like Sacred Stones and the Tellius games which still to this day is a shame). I'm actually excited for Ephraim here because I really do see him ranking higher than before seeing as how some people didn't even know him and they were wondering why he was beating a popular character like Chrom and that alone was one of our best if not THE best gauntlet battle. Not to mention memes probably are going to be helping him here a little, so what can you do? I mean every little bit helps I suppose.
So yeah I'm praying to Naga that the winners for this event for the males are Ephraim and Hector along with for the females Eirika and Micaiah.
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10 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:
You're serious in your devotion to SS, that I can clearly tell. Perhaps a little too serious, but be as you will, there is nothing really wrong with that. Many would disagree with your assessment and say you're reading too much into things that IS never really intended. But try to bear the difference of opinion with calm instead of writing essays for responses. It's better that way, including for yourself because you don't really want to burn yourself out on this kind of thing.
Well the "many" as you put it are free to to do so and I'll refute if I am able with any evidence throughout the story. I mean we are in the debate section so that shouldn't come as a surprise. And I was, it's just that your statement sounded bias in just how you worded that as though the two characters shouldn't even be compared. I do by all means have a favoritism for SS (along with the Tellius games), but just because I do doesn't mean I wouldn't compare some stuff with other titles or just two similar characters.
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3 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:
Caellach, Carlyle is the lovesick traitor to Ismaire who is annoying to fight since Wind Sword + throne avoid on a Swordmaster is a slow murder if you don't like being criticaled.
You should have looked at my previous post because I meant to say Caellach, but I couldn't edit my post because apparently my post before it was too big. But as for Carlyle yes he got what is rightfully deserved especially after saying he no longer cares nothing for his countrymen. Even then I still felt some pity for him because he withheld his feelings for so long to the point that they could be even used to have him turn on his country. This is why keeping things in is never a good thing and why I view him as a foil like Orson to Seth had he himself never revealed his feelings for Eirika in their A support. It's because for what we get to see of the turmoil he has kept dormant and that as you said ends up being a very good boss in a easy game like Sacred Stones that he ends up being a memorable minor villain.
3 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:I actually don't like them pulling the Cursed Lance thing. Valter is best not pitied in the least. I'd rather him just be a natural born serial killer with no magical artifact that drives him over the edge.
I don't see that as the point of the reveal throughout the Duessel and Cormag support. It was if anything to give Cormag and the viewer a better understanding of what has led to Valter or anyone in his position could have ended up as in having their inner demons awaken hence Riev's talk of how man's morality cannot win and take away that and they become a unrelenting force that will do even the most inhumane acts. Valter was a deplorable sadistic monster in the view by ally and foe alike that received his judgement in earning a sorry end to his messy life.
4 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:Of which we know nothing. It appears in a boss conversation once and nothing more. Call him a foil to Duessel all you want, Duessel might have depth, but I could rip a thicker piece of foil off some leftover fried chicken in the fridge than Riev. Shall I mention how he says he had a grand plan for Rausten's Sacred Stone? Of which we see nothing save a generic easy attack in the night?
He was a revered priest of Rausten who was banished by Pontifex Mansel for heresy and worshiping the Demon King. While he was exiled his wanting revenge makes sense even though it was a rightfully so one, especially when he could have simply been executed so Mansel's decision was an act of mercy, but for Riev it's seen as living in disgrace and having perhaps feeling betrayed by his own homeland. Duessel and Riev are foils in the context of the story as they are loyal to their lords Vigarde and Lyon respectively as long as they agree with their lord's ideals (Lyon simply hides his true nature in Ephraim's route, while Vigarde doesn't) and as I said end up fighting the opposite side against each other. If you cannot see that then that's just on you because you view Riev as such a weak character to Dussel which he most certainly is no question about it, but the fact remains it's still evidently seen in the story. The only thing I view for Riev is that he's better than the Gharnef arcehtype characters I have mentioned due to motivation, but even then that's not much of a compliment. I really shouldn't have had to repeat that and therefore I'm not discussing him again.
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Drats, can't edit my previous post when I meant to say after mentioning Valter was instead Caellach not Carlyle.
@Etrurian emperor Exactly, I put him above the likes of Validar, Iago and Judah, but even then that's not much of a compliment given the archetype is rather meh all things considered. But he does his role quite fine in being the supporting character in making the other villains shine I will say and his motivation is better than other Gharnefs like him (or in having a lack there of it).
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On 12/28/2017 at 7:44 AM, Levant Mir Celestia said:
With all due respect, I cannot agree with considering Lyon a "strong character" - I felt most everything to do with him was dumb. Hell, I said in another thread that if they want to make another tragic villain, I don't want them handled as ineptly as Lyon was.
On 1/2/2018 at 11:03 PM, Levant Mir Celestia said:Taking a look at this, I didn't take SS's villains into account...
...And frankly, the villains in said game were rather poor. Glen and Duessel were both respectable, but it's just downhill from there - Riev is pretty much your typical evil sorcerer du jour, other than his class. Caellach is power-hungry, and... that's pretty much all there is to note about him. Valter is a budget Kefka - aka, completely insane. Orson flips too quickly, and is also underdeveloped, with only like two appearances before you fight him, and in the chapter where you fight him, it's revealed he went full-on depraved monster. Lyon is just a half-hearted attempt at a tragic villain, thanks to the game's haphazard writing, and thus he fails to come off as sympathetic or tragic (or at least as sympathetic or tragic as he should've been, which is a crying shame because he ends up being even more wasted potential). Selena's meh. Vigarde's pretty much the typical evil emperor, other than the fact that he was already dead (to be fair, though, evil empires are a cliché that tends to show up often in FE games).
Okay, I'm going to have to heavily disagree with you as I feel you are giving Sacred Stone's cast a disservice, especially when saying someone like Lyon isn't a strong character in being a tragic antagonist despite the twists and turns he has have happened in his life as shown in the flashbacks and his relationship with the Renais twins with not just his admiration of them, but his hidden insecurities in not feeling worthy to stand beside them. I felt for him when he died so tragically, especially even despite it all his country still has the earthquake he sought so desperately to prevent and at the end game credits it was a sucker punch in the heart seeing his first meeting with Ephraim and Eirika in gaining friends that he loved.
The game has a strong overall cast due to the fact because it's short one like SoV's playable cast (preferred Celica's party mainly or even Awakening and Conquest's playable casts which I happen to like as well) it doesn't suffer the many issues a game with a large cast like Blazing Blade or Radiant Dawn having go with on for their part. Though granted RD's case because some of the characters don't have much needed supports like Shadow Dragon's cast or just that pre-existing characters don't have anymore of a character arc because they're finished hence why some people complain about Ike but some are lucky like Rolf who gets further development given the case with his mother finishing his arc for good unlike somebody like Mia who could never find her white clad rival who has been part of her character motivation making her feel incomplete and heck I like her still, but I would have much more if it had been completed.
I will however agree with you on Riev, but only because it seems more so his role is to make the other two bad Grado generals stand out more or give more insight into them. However, at the very least given his arcehtype with characters like Judah and Validar his motivation is better because you have to take in mind he was cast out of his country, so I would say he's the worst of them, but not the best of them neither. He ends up being the foil to Dussel given that they both end up being both abandon by their homelands to fight for the opposite side against each other.
Speaking of which Sacred Stones ends up having the most of foil pairs from what I've seen throughout FE with examples like Lyon to Eirika/Ephraim and Seth to Orson/Carlyle. Here's a quote I have in replying to someone in Valter's defense (along with the some other foils):
"I'm going to have to respectfully challenge that about Valter because while true there is more to it than that. However first of all to get it out of the way Sacred Stones overall antagonists cast has a lot more character that stands out because I think it says something when even a minor antagonist like Carlyle can leave a impression and as mentioned Orson too with how he's written in displaying how despair can shape men who have lost what they loved and essentially even fought for. Sacred Stones easily has more good villains/antagonists than any other FE game in my eyes of the localized games. A large reason I like the Grado generals is that they to act as foils off each other and here are the pairs that are foils:
Glen/Valter
Selena/Caellach - Both are the least extreme of their own general triad (Selena had doubts about Grado but remained loyal, unlike Duessel and Glen; Caellach is a bastard, but Valter and Riev are both monsters). Selena is extremely loyal to Vigarde, while Caellach is The Starscream and mocks him whenever he can get away with it.
Duessel/Riev - Both are loyal to their lords (Vigarde and Lyon) as long as they agree with their Lord's ideals (Lyon simply hides his true nature in Ephraim's route, while Vigarde doesn't), both abandon their homeland (Grado and Rausten) to fight for the opposite side against each other.
Now then in regards to Valter. The reason why he's one of my favorite villains in the series is because sure he's evil, but there is depth to his madness in how he's a example of men in war and just how it can shape them to be at their worse.
In quoting Riev: Ah, Valter... You're a beast. You're bound to no country. You care nothing for friend or foe. Kill a man, claim a woman... You live for nothing more, you wretched beast. That's your strength. That's what makes you stronger than any man alive. A beast acts without remorse. Man's morality cannot win. It's nature's way...
Riev is saying that Valter had to become or rather adapt to what he has become in order to survive. Valter from the beginning was no gentle lamb as Duessel puts it, but at the very least still human in having some kind of morality. From the very moment Valter picked up Duessel's family Cursed Lance was the moment the darkness within him was brought to light letting go of what held him back and to let loose into the madness that he succumbed to his bloodlust. The thing about it is that Valter probably had no choice in the matter as they were in a battle and seeing as how his lance broke he needed a nearby one as soon as possible to fight with so he may live.
Valter is so steeped in madness that he over the course of the game tries to make it so the war continues as long as it can with no end not wanting any peace to happen to ruin his thrill for mayhem and this is what makes him a unsettling villain. He allows for Eirika to escape at the first encounter and he does in fact allow Ephraim to escape during his castle raid, he isn't bluffing when he mentions it when they both fight and it would certainly all the more explain how Ephraim managed to escape unscathed when he should have been captured. He tricks Selena to return to Grado and kills Glen because it would to be far too quick and easy to have the game end Heh heh… Stupid woman. If Grado wins too easily, there’ll be no more bloodshed. We must do what we can to extend the fun… I believe it’s time for me to return to my darling Eirika. It wouldn't do for Glen to arrive before me, would it? and finally just his downright obsession with Eirika was disturbing not as disturbing with Orson with his deceased wife, but unsettling nonetheless.
Overall this is why Valter the Dark Moonstone is one of my favorite FE villains in the series in making him stand out."
The Grado generals being foils off their respective counterpart is even highlighted from their first interaction with each other when the three new ones are brought to the fold which makes for a nicely presented foreshadowing.
Moving from Valter I'll now discuss what makes Carlyle a good villain. Carlyle ends up being a good villain because we see what lengths he'll go to to make sure he can make his dream a reality. Out of the bad Grado general trio he's the least extreme, but it's because in part he still has some portion of humanity in him as demonstrated in his relationship with Joshua on Ephraim's route or when he's with company like Riev and Valter he is shown to have even some standards as he views them as despicable, just that he'll do whatever it takes and will throw out those standards if it comes to it such as with him killing Joshua's mother Ismaire despite saying he doesn't want to hurt/kill a woman but to his credit he did try to talk her down and give her a chance to live or even his own subordinate/old mercenary companion Aias as he doesn't want to be chained by his past holding him back from becoming a king. It just displays how much he'll do whatever it takes to reach out and grab hold of his future. Caellach is how you do a character who is motivated in trying to grasp a better life for themselves given their poor background with the cards in their hand they were dealt with a whole lot better than that horrible mess Hans. He follows in line with a similarly well received character like Shinon both of them being jerkasses. So no he isn't just a power hungry character, he's a power hungry character with motivation all the while still being human making him feel real.
I'll follow up more with Lyon, Ephraim and Eirika (anyone else I can think of) when I get the chance, but a theme I really appreciate from Sacred Stones is that what its story does so well is how it shows you just how tragic war can be and how it affects everyone involved in it and how it changes them to becoming a worse off irredeemable person (Valter and Caellach) or a much better person (Ephraim and Eirika) or if not bringing out repressed feelings of themselves they never expected seeing themselves do or even their own friends/allies in becomingwretched souls (Lyon, Orson and Carlyle).
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Favorite:
- Story-Wise - Ike for reasons that should be obvious or mentioned previously by others and the other two would be to the Renais twins for I really do like their characters in how they develop over the course of the game, especially with how they both have something the other lacks with them being two sides of the same coin, but over time begin to gain what they need more of which for Eirika is strength and Ephraim is kindness/compassion. They're also both great foils to Lyon given their relationship with him too, but I do prefer Ephraim the most if I could only pick one given that instead of how for Eirika it's the loss of a friend for Ephraim it's the loss of a friend who has lost his way and he feels responsible for Lyon taking this path.
- Design Wise - Ephraim, he wields a lance and his animation with it especially when he crits is awesome. I love his black cape with the red inside and he doesn't just have blue hair sure like the others, but it's a teal instead. Chrom also looks pretty cool with his white cape and navy blue clothing, you can tell his design is inspired a bit from Ike whose design I like as well.
- Personality Wise - Kinda a four way tie between Ike, Ephraim, Hector and Chrom (though I think I may give this to Chrom overall and that's largely because he has a lot of interaction and I really enjoy his supports especially with characters like Robin, Olivia and Azura with the former showing his insecurities in Warriors and the latter two with him being introverted and acting awkward.
Least Favorite:
- Story-Wise - Corrin in both Birthright and Revelation, same with Conquest but to a lesser extent because I do appreciate what they tried to do with her there considering we never had a protagonist have to struggle in their situation to that of a Camus but one that lives. Corrin in Birthright just really bothers me from how it doesn't seem in character from what we initially saw from her personality in beginning and when you take into consideration she's a character from both worlds in how she acts towards Nohr overall in this path to me it just doesn't settle well and I speak as someone with mixed heritage. Celica, but only for the part with Jedah as it's completely idiotic despite everything this guy has done to try to bring harm to Celica and her friends, not to mention the guy feels nothing, but apathy towards his own daughter when she lashes out at him.
I view it as the worse offender of the naive female lords as I really do not see anyway to defend it, especially when she's isn't anywhere near as sheltered as the rest (she had a village and a ISLAND) because at least for Eirika it was due to her old friend who was apparently struggling within to take back control of his body (Ephraim never sees his friend Lyon trying to win back his body nor does L'Arachel and she doesn't have the emotional bond that these two have for their friend) and he has mentioned prior in a flashback how with a sliver of the stone's power he managed to save a girl's life along with the wounds she got from a fire, so it makes sense for Eirika to do this making the choice not just being emotional, but it does have some reasoning backing it up.- Design Wise - Male Corrin, no contest. But if I am to pick a non avatar character then it would have to be Seliph out of the fact he's just too feminine for me even more so than Marth and I'm just not a fan of his clothes compared to other lords in the series based off his Heroes illustration.
- Personality-Wise - Roy, he's just so incredibly boring despite having the most supports and most involvement in the story like my god... all I can say to him being the apparent 2nd most popular male according to Heroes is how... JUST HOW!? But then I remember of course Smash, which sure you can say the same for Ike being the most popular male, but at least in his own game he shows some personality and character development making it a well deserved placement where as for Roy I didn't get nothing from him even his father Eliwood is better.
So with everything said my overall favorite and least favorite are Ephraim and Roy respectively.
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1 hour ago, LordFrigid said:
Then I stand corrected, and huge shout-out to your Ephraim! Always good to see him around. So wait, we’ve been friends since the first VG, I think? This whole time and I didn’t know...awkward. Sorry about that.
Glad to hear he's been helpful to you and I would assume so. XD
It's cool, but yeah I changed my name to Nova to just my regular name Brandon.
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9 hours ago, LordFrigid said:
A nail biter to the end...nice going again, fellow Team Azura people, on to the final round!
The shout-outs for this round go to @Ice Dragon's Elise/Cordelia and @Astellius's Tiki, who all basically face-rolled through every map they showed up on. I also got some person named Nova's +10 Ephraim a lot, but I don't think he/she is on this board.
Hopefully Tana and Jeorge put in work for all of you that saw them. As always, any existing or incoming Team Azura folk are welcome to send or ask me to send them a friend request (8566518658). I'd prefer a tag, quote, or PM letting me know you've done so.
That's my Ephraim and I changed my name just now.
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Despite being on Team Azura, I hold no grudge against Ryoma if he does win, but I'll just be really baffled that a character who isn't even part of the theme of the gauntlet keeps on advancing and can by some miracle win it, especially if he ends up going against the likes of Tharja.
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So like Chrom has showed up three times like Leo, but he's had it worse because the only time he has ever past the 1st round was against Alfonse, I mean at least Leo past the 1st round two times.
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21 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
Aw man, is Team Ryoma rallying enough? We're still behind by 27 mil!
EDIT: Glad to see Camilla going down though! I'll go Azura if Ryoma and Robin end up losing.
I'll likely being doing the same in joining Team Azura from the look of things.
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1 minute ago, Zangetsu said:
Wait a minute, damn near everyone has been complaining about how multiplers ruin a match & when that doesn't happen it's a bad thing? Why?
What you have to understand is that one of the reasons why Ephraim vs Chrom is considered the best voting gauntlet matches is because while it also had it's share of being in the same situation the characters still managed to one up the other in looking like it could go either way. Here it's just been flat out boring because Lissa has kept the lead since like this morning and every time Robin has managed to gain some points Lissa just does almost the same amount thus not making any difference what so ever.
SoV character rankings according to Heroes CYL2
in Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia
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I don't know about comparing Leon to Niles. One is gay and the other is bisexual (or rather pansexual). They're not really alike because Leon has love for a man he has feelings towards where as Niles just has a strong sense of undying loyalty for a man who has become his lord due to the fact he was saved at his weakest point after being betrayed by the closest thing he ever had to a family.
If anything Niles can be more so compared to Soren in that regard as they're broken people with dreadful pasts of not having at least one moment of happiness nor love in their lives up until meeting Leo and Ike respectively. The only thing that separates them is that they go about things differently after their past experiences such as how Soren keeps to himself and doesn't try to forge new relationships and if something were to happen Ike then he's all alone which is troubling and then there's Niles who instead of being the exact same as Soren still does interact (even if Leo were to die Niles seems more like he would be able to survive), but it's clear when he does the way he talks or even acts towards trying to bring even a little pain to those that are undeserving of their lavish lifestyles, especially those that take pleasure in gloating about it is a coping mechanism (in which case you know that Niles would have a field day with Oliver). It's of the mentality that if I can bring even a little bit of pain towards this person who doesn't know what true pain nor sadness or hell if they haven't even experienced it once in their lives then it will bring me some form of comfort in making my past not so troubling or at least as much in retrospect.
I'm just going to have to disagree with your opinion on Leon being a better written character than Niles.