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As long as they don't get attacked, I'd say it's alright... it's kinda a combination of undrafted characters being allowed to recruit characters and finding hidden stuff... maybe. You make the rules though. This also begs the question whether Reyson could potentially be used to get the KR without incuring a penalty.

I'll restructure 4th and 5th Pick when I wake up in a few hours.

Look at the turncounts RD got in the current draft, I doubt Soul and Integ will get much lower ones, and if they do, it'll be thanks to Oscar and Boyd, not Soren and Rhys. Now RD got Marcia, I'll get Jill myself soon enough. In other words, Soren and Rhys don't safe turns in the first seven chapters... well Soren might save one in chapter 7 or something, but it's certainly nothing significant.

Yeah it's because of Rescue. She has next to no availability, but I don't see either of the Mages or let alone Brom do anything with their time that saves a lot of turns.

Even when he's level 2 or 3 it won't help much. When that fighter has paper durability that's quite arguable. Maybe. True. Probably. Let me rephrase that, in PoR, you don't need a dedicated healer, it can be useful every now and then but in general it's not worth fielding one over a combat unit. Now, Tormod can heal high move units when necessary and he can actually enter combat when needed as he can keep up with your Paladins. Higher move can be a deciding factor for siege tome uses too at times, though probably not all that often. So, while I agree that Tormod could drop a bit, I'd still put him above the other two. I already stated that Soren can go above Ilyana. On a side note, C Wind doesn't help all that much considering Blizzard is obtained in chapter 23. Even then, Janaff isn't the greatest fighter either and being able to hit enemies from far away is nice. Let's hear some other opinions on that one then... I guess below Geoffrey should be good then. Indeed. On the other hand, when you can't reasonably complete it in 3 turns with a Sage, using slower methods to recruit Stefan would be possible, which would mean he shouldn't drop all that much.

dondon stated the following in the FE 7 Resource Allocation Topic, but I guess the same thing could be said here as well? I mean, improving Ilyana's physical durability shouldn't help her much, and Titania has move over Ike and Stefan.

Yeah that was my point, I can't remember when those enemies transform and whether it's possible to stay outside their range. In case it isn't Stefan should drop more I guess. I see. Marcia and Tanith would take more damage though, so maybe it should be considered for them. Where would you put Devdan? Indeed, but as you stated you also need a flyer, which means whether he should be on the same level as universally good units like the Paladins is debatable. Tanith is an all around great unit in any team. Soren/Ilyana have a few chapters over Tormod, so let's look at them individually... Ch. 4: Soren has to hide in a corner so that he doesn't get himself killed. One chip on turn 2 is all he can do Ch. 5: Defend Ch. 6: Soren will still be level 1 here, so he's still easily KO'd, if you also have Boyd on the team, Soren might get a level here Ch. 7: undrafted characters may not rescue drafted ones and if you have to make it to Shinon/Gatrie in time for them to not enter combat, Soren is definately not helping here with enemies coming from all sides; again, he might be more useable if either Oscar or Boyd is also drafted Ch. 8: Defend Ch. 9: Soren is still stuck with 5 move (unless he got all BEXP available in Ch. 8 and managed to promote there, then he's stuck with 6) and Ike has priority as rescue target; he could get some CEXP when Marcia has to be recruited I guess Ch. 10: this chapter can be 3 turned Ch. 11: he could help clear the way for Titania and your other high move unit(s) if you have any I guess Ch. 12: he should do fine here Ch. 13: Defend Ch. 14: I'm unsure how well he does here, but the fact that you probably have at least one more 9 move unit by now hurts him Ch. 15: another good chapter for him Ilyana is pretty much the same, but slightly weaker in Ch. 12, so neither is really doing much until Tormod joins with Celerity and better base Weapon Ranks. I can't really see them in the same tier, but I guess Soren could go above Ilyana. Also why would Rhys go up? He has the same problems as Soren in the early chapters and Healers aren't all that necessary in PoR either. Siege Tomes are nice to have around and Bastian can use all three, so depending on the situation, yes I would. Maybe, depending on how the issue with Mordecai turns out. Maybe Reyson should just be top of 3rd Pick?

I was a bit concerned with getting her stave rank up, but after looking at the WEXP gains again I have to agree. It's correct that he'll never be recruited when the team has Marcia or Jill, but it should be possible to 3 turn the chapter and still get him by having Jill rescue either Lethe or Mordecai and drop them near his location on turn 2 (undrafted characters may rescue other undrafted characters after all). There could be issues when it's not possible to avoid transformed laguz however... I'll test this when I get there. While that's true, whoever drafted a flyer probably wants to have the Full Guard, and I'm pretty sure it takes at least 6 turns for that to work. While his combat is bad, at least he has 7 move, which should make him superior to Brom. That being said, maybe Brom needs to drop too. Hmm just above Geoffrey maybe? While I agree that Smite is great, is it enough to surpass Tanith? Possibly. She can save a turn or two in Chapter 10, maybe a turn in 12 and 14 each, possibly 16 as well. After that I'm unsure whether her combat abilities are good enough though, she can still shove a good amount of units I guess. I guess Janaff could go above Lucia and Rolf, unsure about Bastian for the reasons stated by RD. Rolf has 9 chapters more than Janaff though and might be better in chapters with a decent amount of flying enemies. The level disadvantage doesn't mean much, in order to promote, Tormod needs 1695 BEXP, we could get 1360 BEXP in chapter 15 alone and assuming we got max BEXP everytime, we have over 4260 BEXP at this point. He is superior to Calill and Gatrie thanks to Celerity and Staves, better than Shinon because of 1-2 range and targetting res. I give you Mist and probably Zihark. I agree, but Soren should go above Brom for the same reasons then. 1) Well, they save the same number of turns before they leave, but when I'm not mistaken about Provoke, picking Shinon allows Ike to have a higher level, as well as saving 3 Hand Axe uses. Gatrie rejoins earlier, but neither can do much in mid and late game, Shinon because he's tied to player phase and Gatrie because he lacks move (and there are better units to rescue-drop). I guess Gatrie could go above Shinon but they should be right next to each other. 2) Yeah, that's a mistake on my part, sorry about that. 3) Haar I can see, Geoffrey not so much. Tauroneo can 2HKO Ena with Resolve and a Laguz Slayer, something your other units might struggle to do. They should probably be closer though. 4) Boots. Volke and Sothe are the only ones that can get to them in time for a 2 or 3 turn clear and have a 100% chance to find them. I'm pretty sure there is a Hawk that transforms on turn 1 right next to the Boots, so you'd have to take a penalty of 4 turns for them. They could probably drop a bit though. Edited the list a bit: -Mordecai goes between Tanith and Lethe -Mist rises to 3rd Pick -Zihark replaces Stefan, Stefan drops a tier -Shinon drops just below Gatrie -Haar goes to the bottom of 4th Pick -Volke and Sothe drop slightly -Ranulf above Geoffrey -Devdan, Brom and Tauroneo drop to the bottom of 5th Pick -Janaff goes above Rolf and Lucia

As some draft tourneys started again, I figured it'd be nice to have some kind of tier list around that focuses on them, so here I go. Note that in PoR, there are usually 5 players per draft which results in 8 characters per player. Mekkah made an explanation for Pokemon Tier Lists before, so I'll just adapt it: The best possible character is available in all chapters, can OHKO all enemies and is invinicble, while also having infinite move, one or more useful skills and being able to seize. The closer a character is to this hypothetical character, the better that character is and the sooner he should be picked. The goal of this tier list is to recommend a select group of characters that allows the player to complete the game with a turn count as low as possible. Characters that safe a lot of turns will be put in 1st Pick, characters that safe next to no turns (or force the player to go slower in order to protect that character) are put in 7th Pick. The closer a character is to 1st Pick, the more turns he can safe over the course of the game. The opporunity cost associated with a given resource (BEXP, Skills, Forges) exists like in a normal tier list, but the actual cost that comes with a resource can vary due to a different team structure. This list assumes Hard Mode, as well as the generic ruleset as shown here, that means: -Meatshielding, defined as being attacked without an equipped weapon, is prohibited -Undrafted units cannot do ANYTHING EXCEPT: *Shop *trade *rescue undrafted characters *recruit characters *find hidden treasure *Reyson, Janaff and Ulki may talk to Naesala in Chapter 19 without incuring a penalty Of course we don't have that much data yet, so this list is nowhere near perfect, but it's a start.

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I dislike this chapter... Shinon is really useful though, he might be the best GM to pick after Oscar and Boyd.

With that I should be on par with RD again turncount wise... Soul and Integ should be able to reach this point in 3 turns less or something.

I agree, having an overview of past teams and turncounts would be helpful. Alternatively, one could make character ranking topics with special regards to drafts and possibly outline what forced characters can/cannot do, so that people have an idea where the team has to be improved.

Hmm guess I could've 5 turned Ch. 2.... oh well, can't be helped. Out of curiousity RD, did your Ike crit something in Ch. 1?

Well, I'll see how well it goes with only Ike and Titania, it's going to be a good experience. Also... Is it detailed enough that way?

Soul seems to have the best options for early game and RD has Marcia... certainly interesting, I'm looking forward to it. Good luck everyone.

Random.org recommends Rolf, so I guess I have two Archers.

Hmm Tauroneo was probably not an optimal choice... oh well, I'll take Shinon.

Tauroneo.

Let's see... I guess I'll take Haar.

Zihark I guess.

Muarim.

I guess I'll pick Tanith.

Congratulations RD I pick Jill.

I'll give this a try.