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From this perspective, does Weapons not look scummy?

This is why I disagree with the scum read on Athena, especially the Snike (?) slot is looking the worse for it. I'm not calling them scum as of yet, but you should know that poor logic is more likely to come from town than it is from scum. Anybody who has played a few games should know this. It's so easy for scum to pull apart the reads and the logic and push for mislynches.

I'm good at seeing contexts and narratives, which is how I scum hunt. I don't harp on players for flaws in logic, that is, if their actions make sense. Because I know that both village and wolf do that, since most people aren't logical all the time. This is why a more effective method of catching scum is by seeing how their narrative shifts. You have done that several times this game. You dropped your vote on Athena and now focused on two different players. Your "joke" vote earlier, the parked vote on Fable, it does not follow one consistent narrative. This is why I think you're scum.

Well, Shinori hasn't done anything concretely scummy. That being said, my gut has proved to be correct on more than one occasion. Anyway, I'll keep it in mind and be thorough with his posts.

I don't really understand the relevance of characters this game, but from what Vi Astra said, they are probably town, I think.

I can't point to anything concrete but I have my eyes open to anything from him. And yes, that was an admittance of scummyness. He knows it himself.

It is an unnatural progression, but you seem to know that already, which is why you emphasize that it's "a correct read." As for your question, no, a shift in narrative wouldn't come from town.

In my role PM it says that I'm kirsche

Are you asking me to claim my tarot card?

Weapons probably my top scum read. I still haven't forgotten that logical shift in pushing Athena. To me he comes off as pushing whatever he can (?)

It's disturbing that I caught on to this fact without having any prior experience to playing with them.

I'm thinking BBM has to be town here for pushing me first and then backing off when he read the long post. I assume as scum, he would continue to push me(?). This reasoning maybe weak, but this combined with everything else, makes me think town for him.

I jailkept eclipse last night.

@Vi-astra I'm also paranoid of Shinori, but I have nothing concrete to go off, which is why I didn't name my suspicions of them on D1. Is there any reason to be paranoid of them?

Nvm my previous post. I guess I hadn't caught up yet

I don't see why you would do this? What this looks like to me, is that you're capitalizing on someone else's claim abour kirsche. If you really were the tracker, you would not have hesitated in voting him right at the start? The timing of this is also highly off. A scum peek at this time is detrimental to town and you should have known this, this is one of the basic things people learn playing mafia. I will give you a chance to explain yourself.

Also, I'm in class right now. I'll post better later.

Well, here's the thing about Weapons. He says at first, that Athena looks towny for backing off, then the next post he says, no he's scummy. So, in the first world, Athena is towny and Weapons would have backed off like that also and it's no cause for concern. But in the next post, he's reread the thread and suddenly it is a cancern. Yes, he's giving reasons, but it feels unnatural. Exactly what could have he seen on rereading the thread that does 180 flip on his worldview? Nothing substantial had happened in the time gap. The development from "I would do this myself" to "he's scum for doing the exact same thing" is shady. To me, this feels opportunistic. Like, oh I think he looks good for this. No, he actually looks bad (a few posts later). I don't want to know the reason for the read, I want to know the reason for the change in worldview. How was one thing not a concern last post, but is on reread? If so, then what caused him to see his action in a different light? @WeaponsofMassConstruction can you address this. I hope you can understand what I mean by this

I have problems with you which is why I don't interact with you. But here goes. 1) There's nothing illogical about assuming there's scum in the top wagon on D1. It's quite natural actually. And, as I said, votes aren't the only thing that matters, which is why I did do an "ISO" of sorts of a few players. If you can't tell, I'm having a hard time navigating the site and I can't post the ISOs like I do on MU. 2) It's quite strange that you use the term "white knigting" here, just for Athena and not for any of my other reads. What exactly is "white knighting?" Do you even understand the meaning of the term? How is me defending a town read the same as "white knighting"? By that logic, anyone who defends anyone must be a "white knight" in your eyes. What are you even implying by using this term? Are you implying that I believe Athena is scum and am still defending them? Contextually it makes no sense. Maybe you could find easier words to describe exactly what it is I'm doing. 3) I talked about Weapons. I do suspect one more player, but they're widely town read, which is why I'm reluctant to accuse them of being scum. I'm not trying to be deceitful. I just don't want to be wrong about it. 4) No, it is a logical switch. He did explain his motivation. I did not miss/ignore it. It's almost like he switched world views. I'm not impressed by the explanation and I have pointed that out. I wasn't asking for an explanation for the read, I was asking for an explanation in change in narrative. If you don't understand what that means, don't comment on it. 5)I am looking for scum. If you expect me to describe my thoughts on every single player, you're not going to get that. If you have noticed, I have been saying things. Don't tell me how I should play the game. So what if I respond to the thread as it happens? So what if I answer the questions directed at me? I tend to play my way, and nothing else. 6) I never self meta'd. I said this is how I play, regardless of alignment. Did I even once claim alignment in this game? This is a gross misrepresentation of my content and this isn't the first time I've seen you do this. If you make similar posts, I'm just going to completely ignore them. It's frustrating and an absolute waste of my time.

I also want to point out Weapons didn't answer me about the logic shift, how he went from "I would do this myself" to "he's scum for doing this." It's bizarre, and not many people seem to have caught it. It almost feels like he's pushing Athena for the sake of pushing him.

AtE shouldn't be the only reason for lynching someone, I think.

AtE is actually NAI TBH, but my problem is the fake cluelessness. Why would you pretend to be that clueless, unless you're trying to use it to make us not vote you? Even if we let him live, I doubt he's going to improve his game today.

I'm finding it hard to use the site. But to those asking me why I'm voting Zeus, it's because his play is incredibly manipulative. He plans on coasting and his "don't vig me" post was disguised as him asking a question as if he doesn't know what we're even talking about. This along with him asking the thread for the meanings of basic English words has me thinking he is fake, and for that reason, he should be lynched. It's not just bad play, it's manipulative and that's my problem with it.

I typically tend to be a low poster, and I don't make elaborate reads list and stuff. If you don't believe me, I can link some of my MU games. I don't like how BBM keeps pushing that, but whatever.

I don't understand what BBM is even saying? I never promised to do a wagon analysis on Athena. So...??? Why is he harping on that?