Refa

Humour me and don't end phase early yet. Shouldn't matter if it's me/Kill as scum anyways. I don't get how they're not, but that's not important. Obviously I don't agree that I'm some scum super role and you think that's the case. Feels like you're reaching to me, but I don't know how telling that is. Most of my suspicions are people casing SB, so I'm not clearing Kill off of that (I want to figure out the Baldrick situation first, if Baldrick is town then he's more likely to be scum by virtue of Orihime really not feeling like scum to me). I was just very confused when SB got incriminated because I thought he was obvious town after D2. I wouldn't read into SB's last comment/vote since it seemed like WIFOM to me.

That'd be such a sick role, but he didn't claim anything like that under duress on D4. Also it'd interact weirdly with stuff like Wattson and the Dome Fossil. Honestly, it seemed like he lied to me and didn't expect SB to be lynched. Him not being willing to vote SB D3 bothers me, and I don't get his lynch triangle. Did Baldrick vote/case SB D4, because I forget at this point. Maybe? It depends on Baldrick's alignment. He's not clear for me, anyways. If Baldrick is town, then he's scum because I don't see you/Kill being scum together. If Baldrick is scum, I'll uh just lynch him and ride off the town cred IDFK. It's less clear cut then.

@Conqueror Why did you watch/voyeur Athena instead of Snike? Also read below. @Shinori @Orihime @athena_57 @Killthestory @Jaybee Did you cause Baldrick's action to fail on N3?

You're reaching so hard to scumread me, it's ridiculous. "I bet this game is low power and scum has two goons" "Oh, but Refa is some broken scum role that has two fakeclaims FSR". I don't know why SB defended me honestly. That's not something I can control. It's super dumb when I'm getting falsely incriminated for something I didn't even do, especially considering you didn't even bother to analyze my SB interactions. My character should be obvious from reading the first few pages anyways. I assume this meant you tracked SB to JB. Shouldn't Eurykins/JB/Baldrick/Shinori be cleared, assuming that SB is a full roleblocker? Eurykins tracked SB to JB, who he roleblocked. Baldrick got roleblocked N1, N3 is a mystery though...Someone should just confirm/deny if they did this tomorrow, because that's what's making me paranoid about this slot. Shinori got docced by Ice/Snike on N2 (Snike implied this hard earlier on), so he can't be scum. I KNOW I'm town, and Athena's play makes more sense from his first scum game, so uncleared for me is you/Conqueror/Orihime. Maybe I'm wrong about Baldrick and he's bullshitting about his role failing, but that's all I got. I don't think you know what my role is lol. This doesn't even accurately describe my interactions with SB/KTS... But I'm town, though.

2/5 I only read Eury's posts and SB's replies. HMU if you need anything right now, I don't feel like doing anything if we basically have a guilty anyways. Guilty is great, but I'm pretty frustrated here because I don't know who else is scum and I'll have to deal with this tomorrow. Eurykins: Guiltied SB, confirmed town. JB: Roleblocked by SB, confirmed town. Baldrick: Most likely roleblocked by scum N1, but his role failing N3 confuses me. Why would this happen? Also him not jumping on the SB wagon bothers me, but I don't know why Scum!SB would vote Bartozio off and then instantly go for scumbuddy Baldrick the next day. Seems dumb. Rapier/Conqueror: Tunneled SB on LD2/D3, most likely town. I hope scum NK's him so I don't get tunneled. Also you asked why I stopped casing you and at that point my reads were: TOWN Shinori Killthestory SB Athena Eurykins NULL JB Rapier/Conqueror SCUM Mackc2/Elemina/Orihime Baldrick Which is why. I was bothered by you but I wanted some distance from the case and SB said you were most likely town. Shinori: Most likely town. SB being like "your reaction test wouldn't work on me lol" is a weird scum/scum reaction, and I don't get why he'd hard defend Eury as scum. Killthestory: Cased SB on D3. Also he's playing completely differently from his last game as scum. Athena: You asked this but I'm like "why does Town!Athena prevent me from using my action? Now that Conqueror said his action failed on you too, I'm like ???". I think besides NA's, you have good interactions w/Bartozio and your play is different from past games, but it's just that that bothers me Mackc2/Elimine/Orihime: This slot is weird because it passively defended Bartozio but then voted SB which seems like questionable scum play. ##Unvote ##Vote: SB

@Shinori Snike was crumbing doctor here. His townread of you despite not reading the game only made sense as Doctor to me. It was a good play if he was only a 1x Doctor though. Why did you guys vote Anarchy lol. SB, I used my night action on you. My role changed after RAD died, which is kind of poetic (it was weird because it wasn't written in my Role PM that my role would change...). I also used my night action on Athena and only that action failed, which bothers me. Has anyone else successfully targeted Athena the whole game? Why does my action fail on Town!Athena? @SB. @Shinori @Killthestory Legitimately asking because I was confident that he was town after yesterday, but now I'm like ???. Baldrick is a good lynch, I'm more bothered by Orihime though. Her defense of Bartozio read as super weird to me, like "he's an obvious mislynch, so we shouldn't go after him guys" despite all evidence to the contrary. I don't think holding that opinion initially is scummy, but when she didn't reevaluate it, it came across as a bad defense of a scumbuddy to me. I'm voting Baldrick despite this because town needs to consolidate on a vote here. ##Vote: Baldrick

I already addressed your entire scumread on him. That's part of the reason you're scumreading him. Shinori tried to push counterwagons. I voted a counterwagon. Your scumread is "they're not doing enough" which isn't scummy but like...not good. Yeah, I'm the best.

Okay, I'll sheep you on this one but it's like...I don't know who can be scum at this point. Taking this into consideration, I'm feeling the worst on Baldrick/Bartozio (maybe SB? I want to see SB's response to Conq's push there because I think it's legit), and after that it's Eury/Orihime and I'd definitely vote Eurykins over Orihime any day. Don't. Trust me. ##Unvote ##Vote: Bartozio

That's actually a good point regarding SB, hmmm...I guess my only issue here is he's scumreading a lot of people that I'm scumreading, so I'm not too bothered on that front but I can get where you're coming from here. Where? Yeah, that's what I meant. I was wondering what about the last Ice post that I read was so bad, but then later realized you were probably referring to something else and forgot to edit my post. TBH at this point, I'm decently sure that Shinori's role has nothing to do with that lol. But regardless, you trying to scumread him for crumbing Self Watcher is bad even if that's what he claimed on thread, especially considering the last game you played had a Town!Self Watcher in a MUCH higher power game.

How sure are you about this? Do you think Eury shades you like this as town?

1. You keep on using distant, as if that's a good reason to scumread someone this late in. I don't think Scum!SB would be frustrated if I caught on to his buddying attempt. Also I like, literally explained my read on SB in my first D2 post. Also, I want to focus on this last point. Why does Scum!SB selectively defend me from Conqueror but not you? 2. But he switched before he got any backlash or most other people were on... 3. Cool, just read that. But he didn't make a crumb, and you're shading him for your perceived version of his role. That's scummy as fuck. lol

@Eurykins Correct me if I'm wrong here, but your primary reason for scumreading SB seems to be his townread of me? Honestly, I was kind of bothered by it at first but I don't see why Scum!SB bothers to defend FHPOV a sinking ship when he could instead be like "oh yeah Conqueror, I totally agree with your scumread, let me vote there!". Obviously that doesn't hold FYPOV but understand that I can't get behind this scumread when it's based entirely on a defense of me that would be suboptimal for scum to make FMPOV. If SB is scum, surely there's something scummier than him defending me? I don't really got to say anything about your read on me. Seems like the same points I've repeatedly argued against Conqueror to me.

That was me. I think his quality of reads has improved drastically from his last scum game (or like...any of his scum games). I uh...didn't actually read his latest reads post because I was lazy though, was there anything off about it? Wait, I thought you said it looked good earlier (citation needed)? What changed? If you want me to address something, ask. Why would Scum!SB drop the Eury push? What's the scum benefit there? Can you explain this? I'm not bothered by you anymore but the only major difference I can see is your reactions to being cased. People keep on mentioning that "the last Ice post" is bad, what post are they referring too? Fucking give links, you jerks, I can't keep up. @Eurykins Okay, from my understanding, you're trying to push me/Shinori/SB as scum together which is ???. Your Shinori case bothers me because all of the reasons that he's scum are just...not right. A lot of it is "Shinori could be doing this as scum", like his reaction to SB, him not defending Evan hard enough (even though Shinori said he was okay with the lynch), his reactions to me being faked (so him pushing me too hard is faked, but him not pushing other people hard enough is scummy and it's like what do you want Shinori to even do, everything he does is scummy in your eyes), etc. Also don't like you shading him for a claim he hasn't even made yet. It doesn't really make me feel better about you... @Baldrick Actually having read Bart's post now, it just reads as him tunneling Athena and not really bothering to read new cases to me. Just feels like he's locked himself into that lynch, because he doesn't even bother responding to anything else. 35 and onwards.

I'd be a lot more motivated if I was scum w/SB (that's the dream). Already mentioned that my read on SB changed after reading the later D1 posts (which I didn't get to do on D1). This feels very surface level, because me/SB interacted a decent bit and you're just ignoring all of our interactions. Surely you'd get something if my scumbuddy SB was hard defending me? Also I mentioned that I'd sheep SB's case on Bartozio. Why would SB switch from Bartozio to Eurykins back to Bartozio if he was planning on bussing Bartozio? I can get you being suspicious of Bartozio not pushing me (uh...did he push me? I'm going to assume not because you didn't mention it), but him not pushing Town!SB makes perfect sense lol considering SB is mostly townread.

I read all of your posts for the first 48 hours. Didn't read anything in the last 12 hours.

wait snike is in the game? what?

>Says Shinori confuses him and it was a gut reaction, which is why he voted SB over Shinori. >Later mentions that he believes Shinori was forced. >Rereads Shinori after Shinori questions him, decides its more likely to come from scum. This reconsideration is more likely to come from town because it follows his original thought process; he's not reinventing a read on Shinori here. >Has issues with Shinori throwing shade on him. >Says that his argument is meta relevant and explains why that's the case. >Not relevant to his Shinori read but I hard agree w/Randa saying that he was defensive because most of the content was ABOUT HIM. That's where my read started to shift, because I think someone getting piled on and then getting shit for being defensive is more likely to come from cases in bad faith. >Read on Shinori changes based on talking with SB and Shinori's newer posts. People are complaining about this because "it could come from scum" but it really doesn't benefit Scum!Randa to completely drop his Shinori read. @Eurykins I'm more bothered by your lack of pushes today. Your reaction to the guilty bothers me but it's not the main issue I have with your slot. I know you haven't been on much, but you still had enough time to get salty at Shinori even though he's been townreading you and you haven't been scumreading him. I think I'd rather lynch Eurykins than a slot that isn't even existent. @SB. Why is Bartozio worse than Eurykins? I'd agree that he's worse disregarding D3, but it bothers me that Eury hasn't really pushed anyone this whole day TMK. I mean, you could say the same for Bartozio, but he's also like not here so I'm not as confident there. Orihime's catch up posts are okay, I want to see where her reads are actually at though because I can't really get a handle on them.

Okay. ##Unvote ##Vote: Eurykins

BTW, that question is genuine because I don't get peoples' issues with his Shinori read lol.

Did you read his posts? Nope. The biggest part of my reread that changed my mind was that peoples' issues with his slot seemed dumb to me. It's mostly bondage.

@Conqueror Let me know if there's something specific you want me to respond too, I legitimately don't think either of us is really getting anything out of our responses to each other (or at least, it's not really affecting MY read) and it's kinda stressing me out at this point. @SB. How confident are you in Conqueror being town? My JB townread is just based on his reads having a lot more thought and backing behind them than his last few scum games. IMo if JB rolled scum like five times in a row, his reads would not improve that much. I'm not as sure about my read here because he hasn't been posting frequently enough, but I still think he looks better than half of the playerbase. I'd rather lynch Eury because I was suspicious of her on my own anyways, and I think what you have makes sense. What do you think about her D1 and D2 posts? It felt like she was having trouble coming up with scumreads overall, but she had some analysis regarding me/Shinori on D1 that I thought was more likely to come from town. That's probably my main doubt in Eury > Bartozio. It just didn't read like Scum!Randa to me. I really don't know how to explain myself more on this front, because it's not like I was super confident in my townread on the slot, but I still didn't want to lynch the slot at the end of the day. I don't think Scum!Me would need to tone it down, is more what I'm saying. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I played scum and genuinely got mad, so it's hard to argue this point. Shinori's vote on Ice didn't bother me because he said he'd be ISOing Eurykins and Bartozio IIRC.

Oh right, what I was going to say about Athena. "Wasn't sure what to make of your case on me, which is why I asked those questions before stating my read on you".

OH ATHENA I realized I totally forgot to explain my read on you. Basically, I was going to say that you being frustrated at being cased read to me as making more sense as town considering you didn't give a fuck if you got cased in your last two games*. Also I thought you making cases off of that was more likely to come from town knowing that they're a target, as scum I'd expect you to just get mad for perceived bad cases but not get anything off of them. I was going to say something else here but I forgot. *Caveat: I thought your SB case was scummy because it felt like you were mad that he caught you for the wrong reasons (and you didn't fully commit to a scumread on the slot either, which bothered me), but I didn't think you'd get frustrated at me and Bartozio if that was the case. Ice was scum in his only OC game, which is why I'm not really giving him too much flak since this is his first NOC game. I'd sheep the rest of your case though, especially the playing nervously part. Going to be frank: What's your read on Eurykins? Asking you because I feel like you'd be better at reading the slot than me. I have five scumreads and I doubt the numbers are 10/5, so I'm wrong on at least one of them.

You still haven't really pushed for who are my scumbuddies (if you think it's Bartozio, then you also need to explain why scum are letting scum/scum wagons be a thing and why no one else is voting w/me and responded to me explaining why townreading Randa made sense (and honestly, unless a town slot was a nonposter, there should always be a good reason to townread them otherwise your entire process of reading people is flawed). I'm assuming the rest is because you haven't read my latter posts. Because my scumflip would implicate Randa, and like...there's a guilty. This is one of my two biggest issues with your slot. One, your lack of pushes today (and honestly, it felt like you only had two pushes yesterday and you dropped Athena coming into today) which seems more likely to come from scum to me (town needs to think about the whole scum team, scum can just push one person every day), and two, your behavior after I got guilted. I just can't see town being like "Refa got guilted -> Reevaluate scumreads -> Vote Randa anyways". Because Randa was a consensus scumread. Obviously scum were okay w/lynching him because almost everyone was okay with lynching him. So regardless of his flip, you'd be scumreading people on his wagon anyways lol, which is not a gamechanging event.

@Shinori I read your Ice case, just going to ask, what makes you think it's more likely to come from Newb!Scum as opposed to Newb!Town? I agree that his lack of reads and elaboration is bad play, but I don't know if it's scum play. What bothers me most is the Rapier scumread followed by no opinion on the Conq slot, and the weird change in opinion on me. Also ISO Conqueror too IMO.