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    I generally agree with the sentiment that all Trump had to do was look slightly competent in handling the virus — early polling even suggested his approval was going up when he was doing those laughable COVID press briefings — but he’s too dumb and incompetent to even meet the lowest of bars.

    And yeah, I think his latest fuck up was just that instead of trying to sabotage the incoming administration. He’s been trying really hard to take credit for that vaccine and now the botched roll-out is entirely on him lmao

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    I see Trump resigning only if he can spin it to make him look like a winner/strong. A resignation at this point would look like a concession.

    He does have a history of cutting and running in his business deals. But, again, his image/ego is paramount -- not many people look into those details.

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    Fox News betrayed them by telling them the truth, Newsmax dared to report that Biden's victory has been certified in the key states and they're gnashing their teeth at them now, next is OANN...

    Soon, it might be a literal Qanon-ruled party.

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    I understand the frustration and wanting to retaliate, and I'm not at all interested in pre-negotiating with the GOP or expecting them to engage in good faith. Sadly being a craven asshole and enabling your orange god isn't illegal as far as I know, though said orange god should be charged with election fraud -- there's already far more evidence of that on his end than on the election officials or voting machines.

    But their willingness to undermine the legitimacy of our electoral process may, ironically enough, backfire and demoralize their voters from participating in the upcoming Georgia elections. Can't say I'm a fan of making the same mistake just because they did it first. It doesn't actually, you know, help.

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    If Biden had only won by a single state, I’m sure there would be an all out push to steal the election via the courts or a state legislature and it’d be a greater possibility.

    Good thing he didn’t, but it is something to worry about in the future.

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    12 hours ago, Jotari said:

    Puerto Rica and Guam (and the US Virgin Isles) yes, American Samoa, no.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuaua_v._United_States

    They are officially designated American Nationals, but not Citizens. They have the right to travel and work in the US though so getting Citizenship isn't too hard for them. Still bloody weird though. In my research it's basically the only real part of the world where people are designated Nationals non Citizens. There's some obscure scenarios with British Nationals and British Subjects, but it's mostly to do with now defunct British Empire stuff that ended when Hong Kong was returned. So to be a British National or Subject Non Citizen you need to be born to British Nationals non Citizens in a part of the world that would otherwise make you stateless. Some south American countries also render people under the age of adulthood as Nationals non Citizens, but they gain Citizenship upon reaching 18 (or some other year thereabouts) so it's not really the same case.

    Huh. You're right, I was wrong.

    The truth is we don't really care about any of those territories. I suspect most aren't even aware of their existence.

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    puerto rico has a Republican governor and resident commissioner

    puerto rico deserves to be represented in the us government -- with some actual weight -- and not remain just a sovereign state for eternity because the republicans are afraid of democracy 

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    I think, if it weren't for the great archive of tweets and other media, the history textbook writers would be compelled to give him a better edit just so we wouldn't look so dumb in electing him. We do for most of our presidents.

    Even so, we'll probably still be much kinder to him than he deserves.

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    You can predict the fuckery but the amount of fuckery that's needed to happen is just not realistic to expect. There was a grand total of like two faithless electors last time. It's just not going to happen no matter how much you fear it.

    Yes, it's depressing that this wasn't a total repudiation of Trump, but it is a repudiation. An important one.

     

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    We have no small amount of work ahead of us to make sure the progressive message sinks in like it didn't in this election. That is absolutely a failure on our part.

    But I'm gonna feel good, because this is genuinely good and that fact should not diminish our victory here.

     

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    42 minutes ago, Glennstavos said:

    It's hard to separate the individual from the time period, too. And I kind of hate the stigma of having to give a pass to people for "things that may have been socially acceptable at the time". Yeah, I'm sure black folks were real amenable to their legal status as property. That's how you get awful takes like "well, actually, slaves didn't have to pay for food or housing. But they still worked, so at least they had more dignity than welfare queens".

    I do wonder if 100+ years from now if "it was socially acceptable at the time" will be used by high school students to explain why the nation accepted Trump and all the things he proceeded to do after he was elected. If they'll forget more than half of the U.S. population just like they ignore the abolitionists and slaves. There were, believe it or not, people who were at the signing of the Declaration of Independence/Constitution who did not own slaves.

    But the fact that we've survived having sociopaths in office should be a good sign that we can survive what is to come, too.

    As for the networks not calling it when the math is on the wall and even their own newscasters seem to have no clue why it's not being called, I think it may be 2016 PTSD. Or the execs are milking the coverage, and curled up under a desk and crying now that they won't get any more salacious Trump/MAGA content.

    I don't think you're gonna get a maelstrom of Trumper violence. I expect more of what we've seen already: protests of old white people waving flags and being obnoxious. We do have to worry about the Qanon crazies, but I think law enforcement is already on the ball with that.

    I am curious if Trump's rallies will peter out because his lib-owning powers have been severely lessened because there's no longer any capital in giving him the media coverage he so craves, and eventually we're going to stop caring. He's definitely going to get banned from Twitter after he leaves office.

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